Their neutrality makes them popular with both developing countries who want to get support from China and the US, but it also means they don’t push for changes in corrupt and tyrannical governments, so you get shit friendliness with countries like Israel and Saudi Arabia. But compare that to the US, where they’ll nominally force you to “improve” your government and human rights, pillage your country, coup it when someone stands up to them, and STILL be friendly with Israel and Saudi Arabia.
Not gonna say you're wrong about India, obviously there's a ton of animosity there - the infighting over who should join BRICS+ really exemplifies it - but when you look at things like trade flows over the last decade then they have been constantly increasing. I think part of China's charm, strategy even, is that even if the government of X country dislikes China for Y political reason, the economic logic of increasing ties in a capitalist system is hard to fight against. Capitalists want profit.
A little more confused about ASEAN, can you expand on that? Sure, not everybody in ASEAN is particularly glad about China's increasing regional power, but most of them seem to be okay outside of naval disputes. This statement published just a couple weeks ago at the 26th ASEAN-China Summit sounds fairly positive about their relationship and boosting ties.
More economic ties with China does not necessarily mean these countries want to have friendlier cultural ties with China. ASEAN and India have territorial disputes, aside from ideological differences. The trade deals are just business, and therefore not reflective of what the countries really think of China whether they could be seen as ally, to be trusted, etc.
The only developing nations I see who are in more warmer and friendlier terms with China are in Africa. But even many local Africans complain of how many Chinese firms does business (debt trap, not hiring locals, etc).
economic ties matter because the US, the hegemon of the present economic order, is trying to cut China out of said economic ties. culture is a superstructure built on top of the material base. not to mention, worrying about how two countries on the other side of the world "feel" about each other is peak liberal cope.
You're not wrong about US wanting to remain hegemon, but no one from democratic countries would want to align to countries with you know... authoritarian. Surveys still show that much of the world still prefer the US as a superpower, despite many countries wanting to trade with China. Having trade relations does not mean the parties are friends. More often than not, countries are just business partners. That's called realpolitik-- and a cynical one at that. Countries that are even allied still want something in return. A lot of white Western champagne socialists never bother to research, ask or get to know the actual opinions of those from countries who are being bullied by China in South China Sea from their exclusive economic zones. Japan, China, South Korea and ASEAN signed a trade union, but it doesn't mean they will all relinquish their own territorial claims. For many white Western champagne socialists, the conditions of black and brown people they purport to try to alleviate from Western imperialism are tools for exploitation for their own ideological self-masturbatory, pat-on-the-back congratulations.
Another factor why the US is still preferred than China as the global power is because US has better soft power, something that China could never amount to. The totalitarianism of China is something that many will not be impressed by. Not trying to make the US flawless, it's clear they aren't, it's just that they're lesser evil than China. Oh and before anyone says anything about US being worse than China and vice versa, I know they're both bad; this isn't evil Olympics. Many people surveyed thinks both countries are threat to world peace.
Youve made not a single argument as to why or how China is a "greater evil" than the US, you deserve nothing but mockery in response to such a nonsensical assertion. And it's telling that you have to reach for ridiculous claims about your interlocutors who you know nothing about instead of reaching for any actual argument, which is what you would do if you had one. On some level I think you actually know the US is worse or you would have attempted to argue the point instead of making stuff up about me.
Which one has concentration camps for Muslim minorities and bully their neighbours? Which one arrests and send their citizens to concentration camps for criticising their government?
Not China, that's just made up nonsense. The US does have concentration camps along its souther border to detain the people fleeing conditions the US created with it's ultraviolence against Latin America though, and does hold Muslim prisoners without trial in a torture camp that they illegally operate on Cuban soil, for example.
Which one has been bombing or invading some country somewhere every single day for the last 40 years and which one hasn't bombed or invaded anybody over the same time period?
Which one has the largest prison population in the world despite having far fewer people? Which one has cops kill almost 1,000 people every year? Which one has 800 military bases around the world to enforce its hegemony on other countries? Which one was founded on slavery and genocide? Which one used nuclear weapons on civilians, which one maintains a nuclear first strike policy to this day? Which one has hundreds of thousands of people sleeping in the streets?
But if they don't exist how can we sneer at the poors for their poverty while also simultaneously claiming that they're privileged and pampered as a dismissal of their criticisms?
I wish the phantasms in your mind really existed because bilking the US like that would be rad. Unfortunately, only the rich get that much money from the state for free.
Their neutrality makes them popular with both developing countries who want to get support from China and the US, but it also means they don’t push for changes in corrupt and tyrannical governments, so you get shit friendliness with countries like Israel and Saudi Arabia. But compare that to the US, where they’ll nominally force you to “improve” your government and human rights, pillage your country, coup it when someone stands up to them, and STILL be friendly with Israel and Saudi Arabia.
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We could’ve had that if it weren’t for the CIA and Shah of Iran
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ASEAN and India would disagree with that.
Not gonna say you're wrong about India, obviously there's a ton of animosity there - the infighting over who should join BRICS+ really exemplifies it - but when you look at things like trade flows over the last decade then they have been constantly increasing. I think part of China's charm, strategy even, is that even if the government of X country dislikes China for Y political reason, the economic logic of increasing ties in a capitalist system is hard to fight against. Capitalists want profit.
A little more confused about ASEAN, can you expand on that? Sure, not everybody in ASEAN is particularly glad about China's increasing regional power, but most of them seem to be okay outside of naval disputes. This statement published just a couple weeks ago at the 26th ASEAN-China Summit sounds fairly positive about their relationship and boosting ties.
"Hi, do we ever have an offer on rope for you!"
More economic ties with China does not necessarily mean these countries want to have friendlier cultural ties with China. ASEAN and India have territorial disputes, aside from ideological differences. The trade deals are just business, and therefore not reflective of what the countries really think of China whether they could be seen as ally, to be trusted, etc.
The only developing nations I see who are in more warmer and friendlier terms with China are in Africa. But even many local Africans complain of how many Chinese firms does business (debt trap, not hiring locals, etc).
economic ties matter because the US, the hegemon of the present economic order, is trying to cut China out of said economic ties. culture is a superstructure built on top of the material base. not to mention, worrying about how two countries on the other side of the world "feel" about each other is peak liberal cope.
You're not wrong about US wanting to remain hegemon, but no one from democratic countries would want to align to countries with you know... authoritarian. Surveys still show that much of the world still prefer the US as a superpower, despite many countries wanting to trade with China. Having trade relations does not mean the parties are friends. More often than not, countries are just business partners. That's called realpolitik-- and a cynical one at that. Countries that are even allied still want something in return. A lot of white Western champagne socialists never bother to research, ask or get to know the actual opinions of those from countries who are being bullied by China in South China Sea from their exclusive economic zones. Japan, China, South Korea and ASEAN signed a trade union, but it doesn't mean they will all relinquish their own territorial claims. For many white Western champagne socialists, the conditions of black and brown people they purport to try to alleviate from Western imperialism are tools for exploitation for their own ideological self-masturbatory, pat-on-the-back congratulations.
Another factor why the US is still preferred than China as the global power is because US has better soft power, something that China could never amount to. The totalitarianism of China is something that many will not be impressed by. Not trying to make the US flawless, it's clear they aren't, it's just that they're lesser evil than China. Oh and before anyone says anything about US being worse than China and vice versa, I know they're both bad; this isn't evil Olympics. Many people surveyed thinks both countries are threat to world peace.
The US is way more authoritarian than China, probably the most authoritarian country in the world by any reasonable metric, so I don't see your point.
A fundamentally ridiculous assertion, the US is many orders of magnitude more evil.
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You're a clown, lick my nuts.
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Youve made not a single argument as to why or how China is a "greater evil" than the US, you deserve nothing but mockery in response to such a nonsensical assertion. And it's telling that you have to reach for ridiculous claims about your interlocutors who you know nothing about instead of reaching for any actual argument, which is what you would do if you had one. On some level I think you actually know the US is worse or you would have attempted to argue the point instead of making stuff up about me.
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Ah sorry, you didn't get the memo, that one doesn't play any more!
The deradicalization campaign finished and now that terrorism is over, the schools closed down.
All 10-15,000 people involved now know Mandarin and a trade.
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Not China, that's just made up nonsense. The US does have concentration camps along its souther border to detain the people fleeing conditions the US created with it's ultraviolence against Latin America though, and does hold Muslim prisoners without trial in a torture camp that they illegally operate on Cuban soil, for example.
Which one has been bombing or invading some country somewhere every single day for the last 40 years and which one hasn't bombed or invaded anybody over the same time period?
Which one has the largest prison population in the world despite having far fewer people? Which one has cops kill almost 1,000 people every year? Which one has 800 military bases around the world to enforce its hegemony on other countries? Which one was founded on slavery and genocide? Which one used nuclear weapons on civilians, which one maintains a nuclear first strike policy to this day? Which one has hundreds of thousands of people sleeping in the streets?
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
"Welfare queen" absolute clown
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Welfare queens do not exist
But if they don't exist how can we sneer at the poors for their poverty while also simultaneously claiming that they're privileged and pampered as a dismissal of their criticisms?
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I wish the phantasms in your mind really existed because bilking the US like that would be rad. Unfortunately, only the rich get that much money from the state for free.
Sounds authoritarian 2 me
https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2021/02/china-debt-trap-diplomacy/617953/