https://reddit.com/r/China/s/JapsswcJnr
Noooooo you can't make poor rural areas less dependent on cars, it is not profitable!"They're doing the environment good but for all the wrong reasons. The unmitigated greed is dizzying."
"Oh sure public transit is easy when you're not exclusively doing it for profits!"
Xi Jinping wants to rely less on coal because it’s profitable. Elon Mungus wants to transition to electric vehicles because he cares deeply about my well being, and he wants to reward my love for him. That’s the difference between the demonic communists and capitalists.
You build a high speed rail endpoint somewhere, and development will happen there. That's what I always point out.
That's why dense populations are always on rivers, because you can transport things along them easily. Trains are the same more or less.
It's easier to build infrastructure before people are living there en masse.
the maoist uprising against the landlords was the largest and most comprehensive proletarian revolution in history, and led to almost totally-equal redistribution of land among the peasantry
we need another guy doing this but with a different educational quote
Theres people in there saying that China botched "its transition to capitalism" worse than Russia lol
Yea China's economy is fked which is why they're the biggest economy rn
They literally cannot say a single good thing about china to the extent they would rather deny reality lmao
They believe inframaterialism is real but also that's bad because it means the hiveminded asians can succeed despite not following the rules.
If we post enough china will collapse in 20 hours videos maybe it manifest itself into reality
China is always and forever the image from the 1980s where polluted slums are advertised as the legacy of Communism.
I can’t believe the communists destroyed China like that. I’m sure China before 1949 was a thriving industrial powerhouse where everyone ate caviar and drank champagne!
And then a detached floating Marx head rode in on a tsunami and ate all the food at the behest of Mao Zedong, who invented famines in 1949.
I didn't see that but I did see a comment saying that it is bad that china has a low cost of living because it "distorts the labor market".
I am not going to subject myself to further brainworm exposure.
Lol their dad and my dad should hang out. My dad loves both Mao and Bill Clinton, in equal measure. He is literally a CPC party member (I assume expired but he still has his membership card) and is China's biggest defender in the US, but he is also really proud of being an American. Like his dream is to have the two countries mutually agree to combine into one country.
As you can imagine the recent ratcheting up of tensions has really dampened his mood.
Also, one of his funnier crank opinions is that Portugal should have kept Macao becuase they bought it fair and square in the 16th century, but China should have invaded Hong Kong to show the British who's boss.
our dads should all hang out because my dad is also kinda similar, but since we're not american, he hates america with a passion
hes like a kinda right wing dengist with very reactionary views on many things but still supports China because he has to
he hero worships Deng and thinks that he was the one that saved China from madness with his market reforms
It's so interesting the wide array of people that exist who fully accept China's success but don't understand the politics or economics at all
My dad loves every secretary general because China has been a constant rocketship for all of them and is neutral on the West because it was genuinely infinitely better when he immigrated but knows they've completely stalled since the 90s compared to China
My mom who's family's business and property got taken by Map loves Deng because she thinks he was a capitalist and hates Xi and current China for hurting capitalists again
The Britain tarnished the honor of China and must be destroyed, meanwhile my parents met at very lovely Portuguese couple on their European vacation and now the Portuguese are honorary Chinese.
im so mad that you have that for a parent while i got poor stupid racist trump guy
A lot of posts on there are from English teachers in china giving advice to each other on how to take advantage of their students to sleep with them
I'm not going to praise Chinese bullet trains, for example. They're nice but l've been to some really empty train stations in Xinjiang and Gansu that probably shouldn't have been built.
The government hates its minorities so much they built high quality transportation for them to use whenever they feel like it, but they should be more efficient and abolish all of it because I don’t see any pictures of Uyghurs riding it
Took too long to try to find that comment about "empty train stations" because I was going to respond with either "transit oriented development, in which likely it will be built up in a few years' time" or what I would more likely say "theyre all riding this one guys mum"
the CCP has been good at pushing renewables, even though maybe they're motivated by money instead of environmental reasons.
Where's the evil?
To a liberal, it is far more important to be "morally virtuous" and "pure" than it is to actually improve the world. So if China is deemed to have "impure" reasons for renewables, then it doesn't count, and if the US "tries" to implement renewables, but fails, that's ok, because they tried really hard.
Capitalist ideology in general, Žižek maintains, consists precisely in the overvaluing of belief – in the sense of inner subjective attitude – at the expense of the beliefs we exhibit and externalize in our behavior. So long as we believe (in our hearts) that capitalism is bad, we are free to continue to participate in capitalist exchange.
Capitalist Realism chapter 2
I think they do the flip side of this too, where (AES country) tries to provide (good thing) but failed or was only partially successful then they suck and are bad and killed 100 million.
Then you have good strong (Capitalist country) doesn't give a fuck about providing (good thing) and so when they fail to provide it that's okay. It's your fault for not getting it for yourself!
where (AES country) tries to provide (good thing) but failed or was only partially successful then they suck and are bad and killed 100 million.
For example:
but they're not even applying this moral standard consistently, considering how these libs are all pro-capital and already think that financial incentive should govern all of industry
Can't find the relevant article unfortunately, so here's a somewhat relevant one. https://redsails.org/brainwashing/
I assume you aren't looking for Masses, Elites, and Rebels. Maybe "China Has Billionaires"?
It might've been "Masses, Elites, and Rebels" actually, I can't remember what point I was trying to make.
Nuance is for losers.
There are so many aspects of China that are awesome. There are also quite a few things that I don't agree with or like. How hard is it to understand you can agree AND disagree at the same time?
The anti-china propaganda and other similar bullshit doesn't help either. Hard for someone without that understanding to get over the hurdle of "bad thing" to support any good things.
I'm high AF and had a lot of trouble writing this. To summarize, if you believe China did a good then you can praise that. Even if you also believe they did a bad.
Nah, it's fine, you're making sense. The liberal worldview tries to fit everything into binary good/bad when the real world doesn't exist like that. Any nation or group of people will do good things and bad things, liberals just ignore or justify the "bad things" their team does, while ignoring or denying all the good things the enemy team does.
It's important for us to remember to actively reject this sort of mentality ourselves, it can be tempting to push back against liberal claims about China with a "China is actually perfect and an ideal place!" but that isn't any more true than whatever liberal horror story about them is being pushed in the news this week. China is a nation like any other, with great accomplishments, but also errors and failures.
It’s funny because this is what liberals believe in. Several times when you bring up how capitalists will fuck up “improvements” over their profit motive, they’ll reduce your concerns to “wow so some people make money, and that’s bad to commies.” I’m assuming this guy is a liberal because that sub is just conservatives and liberals circle jerking about how much they hate Chinese people
That is the weirdest handwave of chinas train system lol
How does one even explain that to themselves
Because building infrastructure for the poor, the underserved, the historically downtrodden, and predominantly racial minorities to help raise their economic situation? That sounds like communism to me, and we all know communism is bad because it doesn't lead to ever-increasing profits.
Usually a sub like, uh, r/BatonRouge or whatever is going to be people who like Baton Rouge but absolutely hate minority segments within it. r/China is full of people who would struggle to come up with a defense that they don't hate all of China except either "hate the government, not the people" or "some of the much younger women I use my power differential to fuck are Chinese!"
empty train stations
Holy shit are people so fucking dumb now that they can't understand planning ahead?
Building things before they're needed is good actually. I am so tired of waiting for infrastructure to be built years after it's needed.
I will never understand people who don't get efficientcy. We can plan ahead, we have the data to know what an area is going to be like, not planning ahead for that is just stupid and negligent.
When you've been told "capitalism is efficiency" your whole life, your brain short circuits when you see something designed for actual efficiency, instead of just being designed to efficiently siphon money from the masses into the pockets of the ultra-wealthy.
I always found it funny that they crap on China for empty developments not yet populated because westoids are only familiar with the same crumbling congested infrastructure with absolutely nothing new ever built because that means the property prices can't be inflated exponentially.
Things tend to be empty when they're first developed or in the process of being completed. Not that a westoid would know because they haven't seen anything new in their lifetimes.
In general Western infrastructure lags demand because the economic case doesn't pass until demand ratchets up.
What's missed is that lots of infrastructure induce demand.
The sheer amount of white dudes who live in/have visited China on "business trips" outweighs the actual native Chinese people by like, 2:1 at least. And those people are like the guy above, westerners who have Chinese ancestry, and who visited China maybe twice to see their extended family.
Naturally this means they are all 110% perfect China experts and we should trust everything they say about the country.
is there ANYTHING that the CCP or China in general can be credited with?
Look at the tag on your shirt or any of your appliances, they sign that shit
Is there anything at all that China in general can be credited with?
Well, before they became all woke the first emperor literally invented an immortality potion. The woke, soy CCP will not let me drink it with their snowflake "health and safety guidelines", but I give credit where it is due. Plus, I can find more than enough of it in old thermometers to achieve immortality anyway. After Qin Shi Huang they became woke and never did anything worth taking notice of ever again.
It’s days like these that I curse the Chinese for inventing gunpowder
the train argument really gets on my nerves yes some train lines are unprofitable but they are also vital transport infrastructure. Roads aren't expected to turn a profit
if people can get to job sites because of a trainline then that is economic utility produced by the train not recorded in the price of the ticket.
yes some train lines are unprofitable but they are also vital transport infrastructure
I'm currently working in the Middle East and the growth of this place is fast; I saw black and white photos of buildings built relatively far out of the city where there was nothing around for (miles? I'm not good at gauging distances), but you know what? Decades later the city's expanded until those same places have now been enveloped by the rest of the city. I can't speak to the train situation in some areas of China, but it may very well be a similar situation where in several decades time it'll be extremely important that they're there.
Trains are vital, high speed trains aren't. They've pumped out a lot of high speed train lines that simply are too expensive to maintain, and of course not to mention the potential faults in build quality.
To reduce the amount of planes high speed trains can be a good replacement. But building too many of them isn't going to do the train network any good on the long run if it's not being fully utilised.
You build things to take estimated future capacity, not things that are fully utilised the day you finish.
So is there ANYTHING that the CCP or China in general can be credited with?
To quote some guy on lemm.ee:
I don't even see any politics on my instance! listen dude, i actually support china because i play genshin impact
