God help them. The slaughter to come is probably beyond our imagining

  • LeninWeave [none/use name]
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    1 year ago

    This thread is an embarrassment, I can't believe there are people on Hexbear handwringing about violence against settler civilians. Did Native Americans never kill colonizer civilians? Are we going to start condemning the Haitian revolutionaries?

    Israelis are constantly pretending they live in fear of being killed by Palestinian "terrorists". Have they considered fucking leaving, which is an option the Palestinians don't even have? No Israeli children would be in a position to be killed in the fighting or held hostage if their colonizer parents hadn't put them there. These children are victims, but they're victims of their colonizer parents and colonizer politicians.

    You want to talk about children being held hostage to ensure compliance from adults? How many Palestinian children are there in the open air prison of Gaza, where 2/3 of the population are under 25 years old?

    • GodDamnAmercia [he/him]
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      1 year ago

      Agreed. However I think there are only a few apartheid apologists in this thread and the vast majority have the correct line on the struggle for Palestine liberation. They should be banned though

      • LeninWeave [none/use name]
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        1 year ago

        You're right, there are only a few. However, I'm surprised and disappointed that there are any at all.

        • ProxyTheAwesome [comrade/them]
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          1 year ago

          Every new conflict and event in the real world will reveal another segment of chauvinism from westerners. It’s amazing we can spend 2 years beating liberals into the correct position on Ukraine and then another event sparks off and the libs are back on square one again. They learn nothing

          • VILenin [he/him]
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            1 year ago

            The only thing that stops a fascist is a bullet

        • GodDamnAmercia [he/him]
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          1 year ago

          Those who wish to defend settlers against their rightful removal from their stolen land and the creation of a state that will right the wrongs inflicted upon the oppressed people of Palestinian are wrong and should be banned.

        • ilyenkov [she/her, they/them]
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          1 year ago

          Idk about that. Like belief in the necessity of violent revolution is fundamental to being a leftist. Life, if we're gonna have a leftist unity site here, that's the biggest thing I'm agreeing with other tendencies about. Anyone not on board with that isn't my comrade

    • WhyEssEff [she/her]
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      1 year ago

      literally Jewish (born and raised), have been to Israel, somehow less sympathetic towards Israel than some posters in this thread visible-disgust

      • WhyEssEff [she/her]
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        1 year ago

        like I've infamously taken really long to add an israel-cool emote with an actual flag (which we now have idf-cool) since burning the star of david makes me feel very icky, but that's a ways away from actually both-sidesing the conflict/running agitprop for the poor brooklynite settlers settlers lea-tired

        • SerLava [he/him]
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          1 year ago

          Yeah it's the right call, it would be used by wreckers. IDF-cool and :israel-cool: are good

      • sooper_dooper_roofer [none/use name]
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        1 year ago

        In a scenario of worldwide socialism, I think almost all ethnic disputes could be solved using the land of the US, Canada and Australia

        The Anglo settler states are very empty and underpopulated, and a global socialist order would also make possible massive irrigation projects

        Whether it's Kurds, Jews, or whomever else who wants separateness, it should all be solveable by giving them a slice of Colorado or the Outback

        • TrashGoblin [he/him, they/them]
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          1 year ago

          That's an offer that can only be made by the indigenous peoples of those lands, and it feels kind of icky to hear someone in the present saying North America and Australia are up for grabs because they're underpopulated.

        • StalinwasaGryffindor [he/him, comrade/them]
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          1 year ago

          This is a terrible take. The original inhabitants of the Anglo settler states still exist, and that land should be returned to them, not used as a dumping ground for the unwanted minorities of other countries

    • Jack.@lemmy.ml
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      1 year ago

      Fighting against Settlers is based but I could cut some slack to people who were born in occupied Palestine and have lived there for their entire lives. But then again, these new generation Settlers have been conditioned to normalise apartheid and genocide in the occupied territory so they can go fuck themselves.

    • Smeagolicious [they/them]
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      1 year ago

      People here have defended the slavers and colonizers killed in America & Haiti. We’d like to think Hexbear is beyond that but it’s happened. Not surprised people are handwringing about this tbh.