• zifnab25 [he/him, any]
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    5 months ago

    I want to believe this is the case, but it's increasingly clear that the Israel government is trying for a genocide rather than any kind of military victory.

    Like, haha, yes very cool that the IDF is constantly covering up its Ls on the front lines. But you've still got over 25k Palestinians dead combined with a hepatitis epidemic and rampant starvation in a population that's been forced into what amounts to an open air concentration camp. Small wonder they're resisting so fiercely. Small wonder we're seeing conflict break out all along the Israeli border, as sympathetic Arabs and insurgent Christians and Jews struggle to aid them.

    But to say the Palestinians are "winning", you need to ignore the rapidly growing pile of bodies in Gaza. This continues to be a bloodbath, a nightmarish incineration of a primarily child-aged population, with the recognized end-game of fully eliminating the population in its entirety. Some mid-level anonymous official whining about how they can't dismantle an organization that's become a smear-label for any Palestinian alive and still resisting their extermination is just part and parcel with the genocidal rhetoric. When every living Gazan is counted as Hamas, these articles only exist to justify the role of Israeli storm troopers in butchering Palestinians wholesale.

    • AssortedBiscuits [they/them]
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      5 months ago

      Yes, the Palestinians, or more broadly the Axis of Resistance, are absolutely winning. Normalization between the comprador Arab countries and the Zionist entity has ceased. The Zionist entity is irreversibly divided and internally falling apart. Netanyahu has already been threatened with a military coup if he doesn't step down, and he has more or less been reduced to a paranoid wreck. The northern parts of occupied Palestine have practically been decolonized since the settlers there don't want to get owned by Hezbollah rockets. And this is not getting into Ansarallah destroying their economy by shooting at cargo ships headed for Zionist ports or Iraqi militia launching drones at Zionist bases. And with the recent strikes including strikes against a nuclear power, Iran is tying up loose ends and preparing for a direct confrontation.

      National liberation struggles are costly for the colonized. Go look up the number of dead people the French murdered in Algeria and Vietnam before losing them for good. 25k dead is a small price to pay, and the Palestinians will almost certainly pay a much higher price before Israel is gone for good. But as it has been shown time and time again, all the bombs in the world can't do shit if you don't have boots on the ground to actually do the occupying.

      • GaveUp [she/her]
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        5 months ago

        You forgot to reference all the genocides that have succeeded though

        Gaza and West Bank can easily be completely sieged compared to Algeria and Vietnam

        • AssortedBiscuits [they/them]
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          5 months ago

          No, the Palestinians have too many regional allies and means of getting military aid through tunnels. Those regional allies aren't just doing it out of the goodness of their hearts because they know that once Palestine falls, they'll be next on the chopping block.

          An actual successful ethnic cleansing is something like Artsakh. Artsakh was completely isolated politically. They weren't even officially recognized or supported by Armenia, a country that has maneuvered itself into a geopolitical quagmire where the West doesn't really support them despite much pathetic West simping on their end and Russia/Iran don't really support them either. Armenia has no friends and despite this, Artsakh couldn't even rely on Armenia. That's how isolated Artsakh was. And once you factor in Azerbaijan being supported by Turkey, a NATO country, the ethnic cleansing was inevitable.