The mods of all the major communities there remove comments criticism Hexbear
and usually follow it up with a ban. It’s absolutely clear what is happening and
it shouldn’t be allowed to continue.
I'm not really sure how people end up like this. Just terminal internet politics poisoning and never logging off? Maybe this ideology could survive real-life contact with DSA?
You give this person too much credit. No way in hell they've ever actually read Marx. They saw a twitter thread about how Marx had "some good ideas, but his ideas are impractical at larger scales" and based his entire worldview off of it.
It's also what happens when idealists read the basic texts and assume Marxism is like their ideology and that it is prescriptivist. Marx said I'll reach a classless, moneyless society if I follow these rules - we need to vote these rules in! That evil tankie Engels talked about authoritiarianism - does he want a revolution?
Ohhhhhhhhh okayyy, that's definitely a thing that exists outside of universities and the internet and definitely needed to be distinguished from "other", corrupted Marxisms lmao
I wanna know what their problem with Engles is though lol
They don't read theory so their sole exposure to Engles is being told to read On Authority, so to them Engles is an evil redfash Stalinist who betrayed Marx's true socialism
This of course all starts with actual large scale engagement. We absolutely need to change the voting system etc as a start. For all the flaws and problems of the founding fathers, the fact that they saw us needing to largely rewrite the Constitution every few decades, let alone every few hundred years was not one of their flaws.
Then we need to uncap the House of Representatives. That’s a century overdue. Followed by abolishing the electoral college. Then reforming the house, Senate, judiciary and even the concept of the presidency. Basically take as many steps as necessary to make things as democratic/granular as possible. Dilute power.
IMF_DOOM fans when their favorite neocolonialist project starts with a 12-minute long sample of a cancelled cartoon that ran for three days 34 years ago:
"Orthodox" Marxist type people lmao
I'm not really sure how people end up like this. Just terminal internet politics poisoning and never logging off? Maybe this ideology could survive real-life contact with DSA?
You give this person too much credit. No way in hell they've ever actually read Marx. They saw a twitter thread about how Marx had "some good ideas, but his ideas are impractical at larger scales" and based his entire worldview off of it.
Yeah I've only ever heard a "pro"-Marx anti-Engels stance from liberals who heard it in a college class but have never actually read Marx.
I mean it'd take a tremendous amount of study to form a grounded opinion on a potential schism lol
Which reminds me of my favorite: one who claimed to be able to tell "where Marx died and Engels took over" in the fucking communist manifesto
lmao both of them wrote that together when they were like 28 years old
It's also what happens when idealists read the basic texts and assume Marxism is like their ideology and that it is prescriptivist. Marx said I'll reach a classless, moneyless society if I follow these rules - we need to vote these rules in! That evil tankie Engels talked about authoritiarianism - does he want a revolution?
No no, "libertarian Marxist".
:picard:
Ohhhhhhhhh okayyy, that's definitely a thing that exists outside of universities and the internet and definitely needed to be distinguished from "other", corrupted Marxisms lmao
I wanna know what their problem with Engles is though lol
They don't read theory so their sole exposure to Engles is being told to read On Authority, so to them Engles is an evil redfash Stalinist who betrayed Marx's true socialism
That's probably exactly what it is lol
"I wanna know what their problem with Engles is though lol"
Have fun
Bonus from that link:
Essentially, it seems to boil down exactly as IMF_DOOM said.
Ohhh, that's great lol
Hehehe, @IMF_DOOM@hexbear.net called it before you even posted that
I get giggly whenever I see the username IMF_DOOM. It's just so good.
and just remember all caps when you spell the girl name
IMF_DOOM fans when their favorite neocolonialist project starts with a 12-minute long sample of a cancelled cartoon that ran for three days 34 years ago:
"When our turn comes, we will make no excuses for the terror." -- Engels, I guess
lmao
When you're so desperate to be the Smartest Boy that your entire personality hinges on an ideal of aloof intellectualism, you end up like that.