• PointAndClique [they/them]
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    3 months ago

    Qin Shihuang apocryphaly (sp?) allegedly ordered the mass burning of Confucian texts and live burial of scholars in an effort to solidify ideology and history, combat heterodoxy, introduce 'legalism' as a system of just rule and create a concept of unified China. So he has this reputation as a despot. Memes being memes took this to be that he shot fireballs from his hands to destroy heretics. I don't think there's much more to it than that.

    • CliffordBigRedDog [he/him]
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      3 months ago

      Theres also this alleged mao quote

      He buried 460 scholars alive; we have buried forty-six thousand scholars alive... You [intellectuals] revile us for being Qin Shi Huangs. You are wrong. We have surpassed Qin Shi Huang a hundredfold. When you berate us for imitating his despotism, we are happy to agree! Your mistake was that you did not say so enough.

      But it sounds fake as fuck

      But, I suppose some in the CPC view him as a historically "progressive" figure who overthrew a decentralized feudal society and instituted a authoritarian bureaucratic state, or it might simply but a nationalist thing since he is the first emperor of a unified China

      • PointAndClique [they/them]
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        3 months ago

        I went searching for an attribution for that quote and found nothing, but did turn up this Guardian article which has this quote:

        MacGregor has been fascinated to see at close quarters the Chinese beginning to open up to the world. It had initially been hard, he suggested, even to describe the concept of the British Museum to the Chinese, its role as a storehouse of global memory. 'It is,' he told me, 'an alien concept for the Chinese to have a museum that houses the whole world. Their museums only have Chinese objects in them..."

        big-honk

        HOW DID THE BRITISH MUSEUM GET THOSE ARTIFACTS MACGREGOR. HOW

        • PointAndClique [they/them]
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          3 months ago

          So the translated quote above elides the lines

          我们镇反。还没有杀掉反革命的知识分子吗?我与民主人士辩论过

          We suppressed counter-revolutionaries. Have we not also killed anti-revolutionary intellectuals? I've debated this with members of the democratic (parties/groups)...

          Which puts the rest of the quote in context of the work China put in to secure the gains of the revolution, rather than engage in anti-intellectualism for its own sake. The mocking tone Mao strikes here is also reinforced by the final parenthetical (大笑) laughter

          At least this is my interpretation of the quote based on my own shitty translation/understanding. Thanks for finding it

      • AssortedBiscuits [they/them]
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        3 months ago

        They liked him because he hated Confucians and brought China out of the Warring States period, which Chinese people see as a parallel to the Warlord era that the CPC brought China out of.

      • refolde [she/her, any]
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        3 months ago

        In the modern day replace scholars with US Journalists and burying them alive starts to sound like a really great idea.

      • heggs_bayer
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        3 months ago

        He buried 460 scholars alive; we have buried forty-six thousand scholars alive... You [intellectuals] revile us for being Qin Shi Huangs. You are wrong. We have surpassed Qin Shi Huang a hundredfold. When you berate us for imitating his despotism, we are happy to agree! Your mistake was that you did not say so enough.

        waow-based

    • PointAndClique [they/them]
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      3 months ago

      I've seen recent efforts to repair the popular image of QSH, similar to efforts to reinstate Caocao's image as a judicious ruler against the Confucian-backed Liu Bei. I'm not enough of a history geek to really understand it but it's interesting nonetheless. Sure others can chime in

      • blame [they/them]
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        3 months ago

        i dont know the answer to this but one thing i can say for certain is in my expert opinion as an enjoyer of historical cdramas life sucked for most people back in the old days.

        • PointAndClique [they/them]
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          3 months ago

          dennis "You can't expect to inherit the mandate of heaven just cause you stumbled over some dusty jade seal"

      • GarbageShoot [he/him]
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        3 months ago

        If it's particularly for the purpose of killing Confucianism, I think that's a good thing.