Hello users of Hexbear, we wanted to inform you that we are going to be locking the_dunk_tank and dredge_tank communities. We have created two new communities /c/gossip and /c/counterpropaganda to serve a similar but clearly distinct purpose than the dunk/dredge tanks.

Not only is the dunk tank a term that has racist origins, but also many posts there were almost no effort and often times requiring later edits to show how they weren't reactionary, not useful with regard to developing rhetoric and furthering dialectical analysis of that which we dunk upon.

To that end, we wish posts of reactionaries to be placed in !counterpropaganda@hexbear.net along with an accompanying explanation (as simple or complex as desired) with the intent of countering the reactionary propaganda in the post body, as of now comments are not subject to the same rhetorical rigor rule.

For the posts that are not "low-hanging fruit' of notable people we ask that you use !gossip@hexbear.net .

These changes are mainly part of a continued effort to remove the racist and misogynistic elements from our community and grow.

Any moderators of the dunk tank or dredge tank that want to be a mod in the new communities let me know.

Any users with questions or comments please use this post, this change was made at the behest of the entire Hexbear mod and admin team. We will be looking for more moderators in an organized volunteer drive shortly, if you wish to submit an application you may send it to me via hexbear or matrix direct messages.

Use this post as a place for discussion to these changes. We will keep things as they are for 2 weeks and then reflect on the feedback, including this post: https://hexbear.net/post/3858346

As a personal addendum I am sorry if the closing of the tanks these changes removes a beloved space on the site and if you want to suggest a community to replace them you may do so at !commrequest@hexbear.net or submit a mod application to take a more active role in shaping the site.

Sitewide or community changes come from proposals put forth from the mod team, discussed, and voted on by the mod team.

Any users wanting to suggest a community to replace the tanks, may do so at !commrequest@hexbear.net current discussion is here https://hexbear.net/post/3858346 or submit a mod application to take a more active role in shaping the site.

You may also consider using !shitreactionariessay@lemmygrad.ml as a substitute for dunk/dredge tank posts as well

The mod statement can be found here: https://hexbear.net/comment/5613033

Application

What is your Hexbear username? Do you have any preferred pronouns? What are your thoughts on capitalism? What are your thoughts on imperialism? What are your thoughts on trans rights? What are your thoughts on racial justice? What do think about current and previous protests around the world? What are your thoughts on Veganism and Animal Liberation? Do you have any experience with other leftist online communities? What did those experiences teach you? What is your approach to moderation, and how do you work with teams? How do you deal with online drama and people who try to start things for the sake of it? What current comms would you be interested in moderating? Do you have any ideas for community engagement? What is your general time availability? (Time zone, amounts, common browsing times, etc)

  • replaceable [he/him]
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    2 months ago
    • not really
    • no
    • no
    • a bunch of powerless people venting their rage by getting mad at other powerless people is toxic and fosters misanthropy, the outlawing of dunking on private people is meant to shift the rage to more deserving targets
    • BynarsAreOk [none/use name]
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      2 months ago

      a bunch of powerless people venting their rage by getting mad at other powerless people is toxic and fosters misanthropy, the outlawing of dunking on private people is meant to shift the rage to more deserving targets

      Excuse me but seriously? The same people featured in those comms that would rather put US in front of a wall or in the genocide camps.

      We're not riding this out with naive ideals about peace and love of the human race. Its fine to have enemies, as a matter of fact we have enemies, a lot of them. For some of the LGBTQ on this community they know even better. This is liberalism period. Love everyone kindly we say as they put the guns in our forehead and prepare to shoot?

      IMO real misanthropy is actual fascism or things like e.g ecofascism. We're nowhere near this as a community and its even silly to suggest posting about random Muskoid #2156 being horrible is pushing us there specialy when its that chud that would gladly be the first one to put everyone here in a camp or worst.

      This type of reasoning is so extremely naive its not even funny. You'll not get people to stop wishing for westerners to suffer just because the dunk tank is gone. Have some introspection. People are frustrated exactly because nothing is being done and nothing is changing except for the worse. The root cause is not a random comm of a website with like 200 active users.

      The frustration that manifests with wishes of retribution and even violence are rooted in real events, Oct 7th being the obvious one. You're not changing anything here and seems largely missing the point of how we got her.e.

      • REgon [they/them]
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        2 months ago

        You're apparently replying to one of the_dunk_tanks mods... I think we fount the person who argued for this change lol

    • MolotovHalfEmpty [he/him]
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      2 months ago

      Thanks for the input.

      On your last point I suppose I just don't really see the dunk tank as people getting mad, perhaps because the content posted there is more likely to make me roll my eyes or have fun basking in the ridiculousness of the takes, than be legitimately angry at something some reactionary spewed out into the online space.

      I definitely think there's a reasonable argument as to not focus our efforts on tearing apart mostly anonymous takes that no one would probably otherwise see (even if it can occassionally be fun).

      That being said, I think focusing on bad faith arguments or frequent reactionary sentiments or narratives primarily from 'notable figures' (however we define that) doesn't really fit the way these things are often spread online. Increasingly this stuff is spread and reinforced through repetition by both bots and willing volunteers or just uncritical users online. Political think tanks, PR groups, propagandists of all stripes test this stuff online to see what sticks or gets taken up. Waiting for, or having to find a specific instance of, a politician or an Elon Musk or a well known Anglo op-ed writer feels oddly institutional and like putting the cart before the horse.

      But perhaps I'm still missing something. Are there concerns about potential friendly fire against others on the left? An attempt to appear more welcoming to outsiders in general? Something else?

      • REgon [they/them]
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        2 months ago

        Considering the fact that was one of the mods replying to you and he was dismissive and hostile, I doubt there's any concerns about friendly fire or any attempts at being welcoming in general.

    • REgon [they/them]
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      2 months ago

      Your fourth point is shitty toxic hostility, which you claim to be against. The person you're responding to, alongside many others, have taken time to make an effort to explain why they believe dunking to be a good practice. If you are going to critique it, especially in response to someone, then take the time to adress those arguments, instead of just reasserting your claims. What you are doing is being a dismissive dickhead, which is weird since you claim that doing that is bad.