I'm glad to wrt to the slop things and the rules things. I'm surprised there's no mention of any actions wrt to the mods or transparency. Unless that falls under COC somehow, but that's not the vibe I'm getting.
This strugglesession evolved slowly over time as it became clear the actual reasons for closing the comms were not the reasons given. It gradually became evident a subsection of the mod team have really shitty attitudes about what it is they do and the position they have in the community. They're reddit power mods wishing to rule over ever shrinking digital fiefdoms. If we want to reckon with "chauvinism" then we need to start with those holding the most influential positions, and we need to set in place a system that makes it so this cliquey backdoors ratfuckery shit does not happen again.
Like the labour shitfuck to your tory fuckshit I applaud your initiative, but I invite you to go further :tory:
There's a lot that could be done to achieve more transparency. I'll find my old comment for some of the bulletpoints
edit: Christ I had to scroll thru a lot of dreg to find it. Can't believe you'd literally force me to see all those dumb takes and not even give me the ability to post, truly this is onethousandninehundredeightyfour.
Anyway, link to long post The relevant bit:
I don't think this is the last time this situation will erupt, if nothing changes about how moderation is handled and how site changes are handled.
Keeping the two comms open just leaves a sour taste in my mouth. Not kicking the mods who wrote that shit out is also a bad sign, for the direction this whole thing is headed.
I would really recommend that mod discussions aren't anonymous anymore. Have the matrix board or whatever it is, but make it so everyone can go and look what is being posted, just like with the modlog. The only time discussions should be anonymous, should be when there is a risk to operational security, and not a vague risk, an actual one. It should also be announced whenever those anonymous discussions take place and explained why they have to be anonymous.
Early in the site days we went away from displaying which mod took an action in the modlog, and just blaming everything on automod. I think reverting that would go a very long way to bust a lot of this cliquey shit.
When users notice certain users get special treatment, they get banned for commenting on it, until the situation becomes so egregious that it cannot be hidden anymore. Not allowing the userbase to call out bad mod practice, is also not good. We've closed both userunion and feedback because the mods don't like the "drama" - Getting called out for shitty behaviour. We really need a comm where the userbase is free to voice concerns and grievances. That would also go a long way towards avoiding these situations in the future. And this time mods shouldn't remove posts just because they dislike them, that's pissbaby shit.
Other good effortposts I found while scrolling thru the dreg
Finally: For those who are just now tuning in and wondering if all the fuss is about the naming of some comms. It's not. It's about people feeling lied to, talked down to and mistrustful of the mod team due past behaviours and the way this was handled. This comment thread probably gives you the best idea of what was the catalyst for being Very Mad Online.
@TransComrade69@hexbear.net I'm done now, you can dunk on me knowing no more edits will come. I'll still think Naruto is worse than One Piece though
Ah yes these transparency suggestions are exactly what I was referring to when I mentioned you having good ideas about it. I do think that there should be some sort of safeguards in place to keep mods from getting super overwhelmed from bad faith complaints but better to do that than not have any arena for constructive feedback and concerns
Good post. This sums up quite a lot of my feelings on the matter. @Frank@hexbear.net's posts on this strugglesesh have been truly excellent (and far far more eloquent than mine but ty for including me anyway lol)
Its clear there needs to be some shakeup in the moderation. Everything about that post not neutrally discussing policy changes was simply unacceptable in my opinion and accountability not being taken would be a grim portent for the future of this site. Which would suck because this is by farrrrr one of the best trans spaces on the net. Maybe this stems from the fact that we were fundamentally always a reddit clone, and a similar moderation system will inevitably attract types similar to reddit mods, and I dont really know what is to be done ab that. We do have some great mods and admins and im sure that the mods behind that post are well intentioned for the most part. Moderation is not easy. Bring constantly exposed to the worst users is not easy. The site wouldnt run without the hard work of a lot of comrades devotong their time and energy. But whoever contributed to that post needs to get over themselves, own up, and do some self crit. This cliquish, smug superiority needs to end because if its allowed to continue the site is going to end up like every other dead leftist forum
I'm glad to wrt to the slop things and the rules things. I'm surprised there's no mention of any actions wrt to the mods or transparency. Unless that falls under COC somehow, but that's not the vibe I'm getting.
This strugglesession evolved slowly over time as it became clear the actual reasons for closing the comms were not the reasons given. It gradually became evident a subsection of the mod team have really shitty attitudes about what it is they do and the position they have in the community. They're reddit power mods wishing to rule over ever shrinking digital fiefdoms. If we want to reckon with "chauvinism" then we need to start with those holding the most influential positions, and we need to set in place a system that makes it so this cliquey backdoors ratfuckery shit does not happen again.
Like the labour shitfuck to your tory fuckshit I applaud your initiative, but I invite you to go further :tory:
There's a lot that could be done to achieve more transparency. I'll find my old comment for some of the bulletpoints
edit: Christ I had to scroll thru a lot of dreg to find it. Can't believe you'd literally force me to see all those dumb takes and not even give me the ability to post, truly this is onethousandninehundredeightyfour.
Anyway, link to long post The relevant bit:
Other good effortposts I found while scrolling thru the dreg
Finally: For those who are just now tuning in and wondering if all the fuss is about the naming of some comms. It's not. It's about people feeling lied to, talked down to and mistrustful of the mod team due past behaviours and the way this was handled. This comment thread probably gives you the best idea of what was the catalyst for being Very Mad Online.
@TransComrade69@hexbear.net I'm done now, you can dunk on me knowing no more edits will come.
I'll still think Naruto is worse than One Piece though
Ah yes these transparency suggestions are exactly what I was referring to when I mentioned you having good ideas about it. I do think that there should be some sort of safeguards in place to keep mods from getting super overwhelmed from bad faith complaints but better to do that than not have any arena for constructive feedback and concerns
Good post. This sums up quite a lot of my feelings on the matter. @Frank@hexbear.net's posts on this strugglesesh have been truly excellent (and far far more eloquent than mine but ty for including me anyway lol)
Its clear there needs to be some shakeup in the moderation. Everything about that post not neutrally discussing policy changes was simply unacceptable in my opinion and accountability not being taken would be a grim portent for the future of this site. Which would suck because this is by farrrrr one of the best trans spaces on the net. Maybe this stems from the fact that we were fundamentally always a reddit clone, and a similar moderation system will inevitably attract types similar to reddit mods, and I dont really know what is to be done ab that. We do have some great mods and admins and im sure that the mods behind that post are well intentioned for the most part. Moderation is not easy. Bring constantly exposed to the worst users is not easy. The site wouldnt run without the hard work of a lot of comrades devotong their time and energy. But whoever contributed to that post needs to get over themselves, own up, and do some self crit. This cliquish, smug superiority needs to end because if its allowed to continue the site is going to end up like every other dead leftist forum
No half measures waltuh
Both are good but One Piece is 100x better than Naruto and I said what I said.