• Redlibrary1917 [he/him]
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    4 years ago

    It's good that there is no "independent worker movement" given what "independent worker movements" have done to Socialist countries such as Poland.

    • aws0me [none/use name]
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      4 years ago

      First of all, why do you think there was discontent among the working class in Eastern Bloc states? Why is it that a country literally ruled by the working class(allegedly) would have working class people striking in it and getting arrested for it?

      The fall of ""communism"" in Poland is not something I lose sleep over, as it was just state capitalism. It has no relation whatsoever to the actual socialist project, and in the future, the same opportunism of "nationalization is socialism bro trust me", will once again come up and will have to be fought against.

      • Redlibrary1917 [he/him]
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        4 years ago

        Ok idealist.

        I don't even know where to begin, so I suggest you read a book. The idea that protests are inherently good or that a proper Socialist government would somehow be immune to discontent are pure idealist nonsense.

        I don't care about whatever ludicrous purist idea of Socialism that has never existed you subscribe to, it's utterly irrelevant to history and the International Proletarian Movement. It seems like you're trying to position yourself as some Leftcom when you're very obviously just a RadLib who still believes all the bullshit you were fed as a Liberal.

        • aws0me [none/use name]
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          4 years ago

          The idea that protests are inherently good

          Never said this.

          proper Socialist government would somehow be immune to discontent are pure idealist nonsense.

          What is proper socialist here? You call me idealist, but you have no material analysis of what makes a government "socialist". Is it enough to call itself socialist and have red flags? Is it enough to provide social services to everyone and guarantee employment? Is it that they nationalized everything while maintaining the capitalist mode of production?

          I don’t care about whatever ludicrous purist idea of Socialism that has never existed you subscribe to,

          Literally a right wing argument. Socialism hasnt existed yet so it is ludicrous.

          it’s utterly irrelevant to history

          What does this mean lol

          and the International Proletarian Movement

          Where can I contact this movement, I would like to join it. On a more serious note, there is no international movement.

          It seems like you’re trying to position yourself as some Leftcom when you’re very obviously just a RadLib who still believes all the bullshit you were fed as a Liberal.

          I used to be an ML actually. I used to believe eveything you believe until like 2 years ago.

            • aws0me [none/use name]
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              4 years ago

              No need to be sectarian. We are just having a disagreement of theory. After all, left unity is important, and we all have the same goal.

                • aws0me [none/use name]
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                  4 years ago

                  What is sectarian about having views that oppose yours? Sectarianism is when you let your disagreements get in the way of action. Whatever you or I think of China or Vietnam, it has very little relevance in your actual praxis or mine.

                  • Redlibrary1917 [he/him]
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                    4 years ago

                    "China red fash state capitalism" is sectarian. Don't start a fight and then cry when you get punched.