Also, Donald Trump is an evil fascist, but he's a cheap evil fascist. He would definitely inflame tensions with rhetorical support for Israel, say "Jerusalem is definitely seriously the capital guys", and probably appoint his son in law as their diplomat.
...but he probably wouldn't send them free weapons. There are a lot of areas where he is the greater evil but I don't actually think this is one of them.
Lib here. I care about Palestine and I also feel strongly that Israel shouldn't even have been established or founded in the first place. Here's why; state of Israel from the get-go grabbed land, was hostile and violent against Palestinians... When state of Israel was getting established they bombed in cities and villages and terrorized the population... Then they massacred a village. That's how Israel formed. There was 10% Jewish and the rest 90% were Palestinians and Arabs (Christians and Muslims).
Probably if You ask enough liberals you'd find out that most don't agree with the history of Israel and it's fucked up ways against humanity.
Also Britain for the most part was responsible for all of this Palestinian/ Israeli mess to begin with. Then everyone else (other western countries) got involved.
So you think Israel should never have been founded, and think they’re massacring villages, but simultaneously say Palestine should just sit there and keep “peacefully protesting” because the Great Moral Westerner™ said resisting oppression is bad?
After watching the way liberal scum reacts to Hamas, I'm convinced Black folk should've been had a Hamas analogue. Grandmaster Jay didn't go far enough.
I know it's a bit strained, but in terms of "faction of organized armed resistance" wouldn't either the Panthers or whatever Malcolm X was involved with in terms of community defense count as "a Hamas"?
From what I remember, while the Panthers were absolutely armed, they also weren't primarily about violent resistance against the oppressor, they were primarily about mutual aid for the hoods they operated in. I also wouldn't have considered them large enough or widespread enough to count as a "Hamas". They're also currently only existent in splinters, mostly due to the state department's continuing genocide.
Probably if You ask enough liberals you’d find out that most don’t agree with the history of Israel and it’s fucked up ways against humanity.
Then where's that energy irl? I haven't met a single lib who ISN'T full-throatedly 'genocide the Palestinians if they won't stop resisting'. It's easy enough to claim you and yours are against it; but your assertion categorically doesn't match reality.
thats because a lot of fringe conservatives are also dissillissiouned with liberalism tbh, ive noticed the same thing with working class, right wing liberals; they are much easier to talk too as they are themselves on the fringes of liberal society and usually are only holding the 'right' position due to alienation and as a reaction to the perceived status quo.
Might I persuade you to reconsider this part? Liberalism/neoliberalism is what produced and maintained Israel, along with many other genocidal projects across the world, even if the liberals in your community shake their heads and then vote blue anyway.
This is true, although it could be argued he did attempt to start one by killing the Iranian general in Iraq.
He does seem to understand at some level that Americans (actual people not the lizard-people in the big buildings in DC) don't want war. And that if he wants to do a war he has to have an extremely strong "reason" to get the bloodlust flowing. Another 9/11 type thing.
I'm not so sure that would totally even work now days though. I think that's part of the frustration from the Hillary Clinton types and John Boltons (same person?) is they can't just racistly say "hate China!" They gotta do a decade of racist bullshiting and lies to prime the hogs and then maybe... I'm still not sure it's working though.
People are racist, they don't like other cultures due to propaganda and lack of exposure, etc., but a war where THEY have to do something is totally different and few, very few, are ever going to volunteer or even let themselves be conscripted for some war in Iran or proxy with China, etc., imo.
Everyone now saw the Iraq and Afghanistan wars that, even from the US perspective, was a complete shitfest for normal people. Of course they don't care much about the lives in those countries, so that's why I say from the American perspective.
In any case, I do believe Trump "gets" a lot of this and he does value being loved more than anything. If that fucker went into office and signed some significant concessions with China, Iran, Russia, etc. that dialed back tensions by reducing American military presence everywhere he'd be hated by the lizards but probably loved by a lot of Americans.
The president can do a lot of shit just unilaterally, it's just a question of willpower. I dunno. Even if he restarted normalization with the DPRK and actually ended the stalled Korean War, I mean, I'd give him a lot of credit for that alone.
I wish he'd also remove the Cuban embargo but he's got some gusano in his ear on that one telling him no.
It's crazy the good a president can do at any given moment and yet they all choose to do... nothing. Or the bad thing. It's bleak.
Also, Donald Trump is an evil fascist, but he's a cheap evil fascist. He would definitely inflame tensions with rhetorical support for Israel, say "Jerusalem is definitely seriously the capital guys", and probably appoint his son in law as their diplomat.
...but he probably wouldn't send them free weapons. There are a lot of areas where he is the greater evil but I don't actually think this is one of them.
The US has given weapons to Israel since the 1960s.
The libs would actually pretend to care about Palestinians and pretend to side against Israel if Trump were president.
Lib here. I care about Palestine and I also feel strongly that Israel shouldn't even have been established or founded in the first place. Here's why; state of Israel from the get-go grabbed land, was hostile and violent against Palestinians... When state of Israel was getting established they bombed in cities and villages and terrorized the population... Then they massacred a village. That's how Israel formed. There was 10% Jewish and the rest 90% were Palestinians and Arabs (Christians and Muslims).
Probably if You ask enough liberals you'd find out that most don't agree with the history of Israel and it's fucked up ways against humanity.
Also Britain for the most part was responsible for all of this Palestinian/ Israeli mess to begin with. Then everyone else (other western countries) got involved.
Will you condemn Hamas?
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So you think Israel should never have been founded, and think they’re massacring villages, but simultaneously say Palestine should just sit there and keep “peacefully protesting” because the Great Moral Westerner™ said resisting oppression is bad?
How does that make any sense?
Lmao, gottem
Hamas are brave freedom fighters liberal
After watching the way liberal scum reacts to Hamas, I'm convinced Black folk should've been had a Hamas analogue. Grandmaster Jay didn't go far enough.
I know it's a bit strained, but in terms of "faction of organized armed resistance" wouldn't either the Panthers or whatever Malcolm X was involved with in terms of community defense count as "a Hamas"?
From what I remember, while the Panthers were absolutely armed, they also weren't primarily about violent resistance against the oppressor, they were primarily about mutual aid for the hoods they operated in. I also wouldn't have considered them large enough or widespread enough to count as a "Hamas". They're also currently only existent in splinters, mostly due to the state department's continuing genocide.
Yeah, I spoke of them in the past tense for a reason, but fair enough on the rest of it.
The coolest way to short circuit peoples brains is to say “the state of israel doesn’t have the right to exist”.
Then where's that energy irl? I haven't met a single lib who ISN'T full-throatedly 'genocide the Palestinians if they won't stop resisting'. It's easy enough to claim you and yours are against it; but your assertion categorically doesn't match reality.
Ive only seen conservative chuds at the coal mine support palestine. All the democrats in the coal mine want to nuke gaza, and use those words.
There is an intense enghusiasm among some communities for a big war, regardless of what it is.
thats because a lot of fringe conservatives are also dissillissiouned with liberalism tbh, ive noticed the same thing with working class, right wing liberals; they are much easier to talk too as they are themselves on the fringes of liberal society and usually are only holding the 'right' position due to alienation and as a reaction to the perceived status quo.
Might I persuade you to reconsider this part? Liberalism/neoliberalism is what produced and maintained Israel, along with many other genocidal projects across the world, even if the liberals in your community shake their heads and then vote blue anyway.
Stopped reading there
I'm sure Israel wouldn't have had much trouble bribing him to do it.
Yeah, all it would take is a hotel or a casino
Imagine the PLFP bombing Trump-Hotel and Casino Tel Aviv.
he's not a fascist. Many of his supporters are but he clearly just does whatever gets attention.
He has arrived at fascism as a winning strategy, but that still makes him a fascist.
Distinction without a difference if his narcissism enables fascists
I understand your point, but the Venn diagram is nearly eclipsed, so not sure it matters.
the primary difference is that he actually doesn't do as much fascist shit as they want him to
he didn't for example start any wars despite fascist doctrine clearly advocating for progress funded through the spoils of war
This is true, although it could be argued he did attempt to start one by killing the Iranian general in Iraq.
He does seem to understand at some level that Americans (actual people not the lizard-people in the big buildings in DC) don't want war. And that if he wants to do a war he has to have an extremely strong "reason" to get the bloodlust flowing. Another 9/11 type thing.
I'm not so sure that would totally even work now days though. I think that's part of the frustration from the Hillary Clinton types and John Boltons (same person?) is they can't just racistly say "hate China!" They gotta do a decade of racist bullshiting and lies to prime the hogs and then maybe... I'm still not sure it's working though.
People are racist, they don't like other cultures due to propaganda and lack of exposure, etc., but a war where THEY have to do something is totally different and few, very few, are ever going to volunteer or even let themselves be conscripted for some war in Iran or proxy with China, etc., imo.
Everyone now saw the Iraq and Afghanistan wars that, even from the US perspective, was a complete shitfest for normal people. Of course they don't care much about the lives in those countries, so that's why I say from the American perspective.
In any case, I do believe Trump "gets" a lot of this and he does value being loved more than anything. If that fucker went into office and signed some significant concessions with China, Iran, Russia, etc. that dialed back tensions by reducing American military presence everywhere he'd be hated by the lizards but probably loved by a lot of Americans.
The president can do a lot of shit just unilaterally, it's just a question of willpower. I dunno. Even if he restarted normalization with the DPRK and actually ended the stalled Korean War, I mean, I'd give him a lot of credit for that alone.
I wish he'd also remove the Cuban embargo but he's got some gusano in his ear on that one telling him no.
It's crazy the good a president can do at any given moment and yet they all choose to do... nothing. Or the bad thing. It's bleak.
no it's simpler than that Trump is too selfish to want a war. He simply doesn't care enough about other countries to want to kill them