Richard Wolff debates Destiny. Yes it's real. This Wednesday at 1PM PST hosted and moderated by yours truly pic.twitter.com/d49GW2bBWO— The Serfs (@theserfstv) April 19, 2021
Nobody said otherwise. You know what would be an even bigger own than debating this asshole? Publicly canceling it and announcing that its cancelled because of Destiny's history of using racist language. He gets no platform - and he gets owned. But the people hosting this crap are more concerned about being content creators than socialists.
But he is the platform in this case, Wolff would be deplatforming himself rather than deplatforming him. The Serfs and Wolff are way smaller than Destiny.
It sucks but that's how it currently is right now. I don't think cancelling it would have any kind of positive impact.
You cannot deplatform someone who already has a bigger platform than you.
Why are you acting like destiny has a chance at not embarrassing himself? You seem upset your educated comrades are going to be taking shots at a big reactionary platform.
So what do you think socialists have to gain by not debating liberals in such events? What could Wolff be doing with his time that's so much more valuable than this? Go on another obscure leftist platform to preach to the choir?
Go on another obscure leftist platform to preach to the choir?
I would much prefer him go on a small platform of... lets say.. BIPOC leftists for example rather than pal around with the N word guy. That is correct yes.
Sorry but that's not good strategy IMO, at that point we're just patting ourselves on the back, nobody watches tiny leftist platforms except other leftists. They have their use insofar as they make accessible various obscure or marginalized viewpoints but if you believe they're gonna get big any time soon you're lying to yourself. And that's what the left needs, it needs way more exposure than it's getting currently, and you're not gonna get it with tiny leftist platforms. Wolff going on a tiny leftists platform would likely bring nobody involved any new insight.
Leftists should be trying to wedge themselves into large mainstream platforms, debatebros included. I'd like to see Wolff talk about marxism on prime time MSNBC for example but we're pretty far from that.
Putting them before gamers how? How do you think Wolff going on a small 1k subscriber BIPOC stream help BIPOC people in any meaningful way? It won't do anything tangible, not one thing, Wolff is not an expert in BIPOC issues nor does he claim to be one. You'll have 1k comrades nodding along with whatever Wolff has to say (probably general stuff about the economy) and everybody will go about their day none the wiser.
On the other hand his debate with Destiny might chip away some amount of Destiny's fanbase. It won't be this earth shattering change in politics but it has a chance of doing SOMETHING.
Dude, half of this website was at some point one of the "anti SJW" gamer types, me included. Why do you keep pretending like these people are unreachable when it clearly isn't true?
Sure, if there's a large online platform comparable to Destiny's with an audience of predominately apolitical BIPOC then yeah Wolff should absolutely go there, but I don't see one honestly. I honestly can't see how Wolff could realistically reach a large audience of BIPOC people today.
White edgelord teenagers is what's on the table today. Tomorrow maybe he goes on prime time national television to talk about marxism, but we're not there yet.
Hey, you're one of those people that noname was talking about last week. You'd rather come take up space in a BIPOC group rather than do the hard work of debating and deprogramming racists.
Wolff is actually going to speak at a bipoc, post-capitalist conference that centers indigenous and ecological issues, later this week... I get where you're coming from and you're probably right but I think this destiny thing is just part of him making the rounds with various speaking engagements over the past couple weeks.
Doesn't matter. He is the one with more influence. Most of the people watching will be his fans.
Also I'm pretty sure most of the time when these things happen it gets streamed on each of the side's personal streams, so I'm pretty sure Destiny will be streaming the thing on his official stream, making him also the platform.
I was one of the "epic dunking on SJWs" people when I was like 19.
People can grow out of those views.
Nobody said otherwise. You know what would be an even bigger own than debating this asshole? Publicly canceling it and announcing that its cancelled because of Destiny's history of using racist language. He gets no platform - and he gets owned. But the people hosting this crap are more concerned about being content creators than socialists.
But he is the platform in this case, Wolff would be deplatforming himself rather than deplatforming him. The Serfs and Wolff are way smaller than Destiny.
It sucks but that's how it currently is right now. I don't think cancelling it would have any kind of positive impact.
Jesus dude. No it isnt. The Serfs are hosting it.
ok and? Who is bringing in more viewers?
You cannot deplatform someone who already has a bigger platform than you.
Why are you acting like destiny has a chance at not embarrassing himself? You seem upset your educated comrades are going to be taking shots at a big reactionary platform.
I have no doubt that this will be an embarrassment for everyone involved.
So what do you think socialists have to gain by not debating liberals in such events? What could Wolff be doing with his time that's so much more valuable than this? Go on another obscure leftist platform to preach to the choir?
I would much prefer him go on a small platform of... lets say.. BIPOC leftists for example rather than pal around with the N word guy. That is correct yes.
Sorry but that's not good strategy IMO, at that point we're just patting ourselves on the back, nobody watches tiny leftist platforms except other leftists. They have their use insofar as they make accessible various obscure or marginalized viewpoints but if you believe they're gonna get big any time soon you're lying to yourself. And that's what the left needs, it needs way more exposure than it's getting currently, and you're not gonna get it with tiny leftist platforms. Wolff going on a tiny leftists platform would likely bring nobody involved any new insight.
Leftists should be trying to wedge themselves into large mainstream platforms, debatebros included. I'd like to see Wolff talk about marxism on prime time MSNBC for example but we're pretty far from that.
I think putting our black and brown comrades before gamers is, in fact, a good strategy.
Putting them before gamers how? How do you think Wolff going on a small 1k subscriber BIPOC stream help BIPOC people in any meaningful way? It won't do anything tangible, not one thing, Wolff is not an expert in BIPOC issues nor does he claim to be one. You'll have 1k comrades nodding along with whatever Wolff has to say (probably general stuff about the economy) and everybody will go about their day none the wiser.
On the other hand his debate with Destiny might chip away some amount of Destiny's fanbase. It won't be this earth shattering change in politics but it has a chance of doing SOMETHING.
Yeah like being a StupidPol recruitment drive.
Dude, half of this website was at some point one of the "anti SJW" gamer types, me included. Why do you keep pretending like these people are unreachable when it clearly isn't true?
Our time will always be better spent reaching out to people who are struggling instead of white edgelord teenagers watching destiny.
Sure, if there's a large online platform comparable to Destiny's with an audience of predominately apolitical BIPOC then yeah Wolff should absolutely go there, but I don't see one honestly. I honestly can't see how Wolff could realistically reach a large audience of BIPOC people today.
White edgelord teenagers is what's on the table today. Tomorrow maybe he goes on prime time national television to talk about marxism, but we're not there yet.
Hey, you're one of those people that noname was talking about last week. You'd rather come take up space in a BIPOC group rather than do the hard work of debating and deprogramming racists.
You mean arguing with literal children online? Yeah, you got me. Go off.
Oh I didn't realize that the hypothetical BIPOC streamer had an audience of only very-serious adults
If I had to put money on that or the gamer stream I wouldn't go with the gamer stream.
Better to have a nice chill stream with friends than try to change minds
Wolff is actually going to speak at a bipoc, post-capitalist conference that centers indigenous and ecological issues, later this week... I get where you're coming from and you're probably right but I think this destiny thing is just part of him making the rounds with various speaking engagements over the past couple weeks.
Doesn't matter. He is the one with more influence. Most of the people watching will be his fans.
Also I'm pretty sure most of the time when these things happen it gets streamed on each of the side's personal streams, so I'm pretty sure Destiny will be streaming the thing on his official stream, making him also the platform.