I'm just continually surprised that he is now a debate lord who is taken seriously by an alarming amount of people, when I first heard of him he was a Starcraft player who got his dickpics leaked.
Tbh I don’t think destiny is that influential outside of people who are into online politics . I feel like Hassan is more well known with “normies.” Kind of like how I know people offline who are aware of contrapoints, but would look at you blankly if you mentioned vaush or destiny
i don't get why edgy argumentative garbage gets an audience at all. people seem to rarely care about the content of the discussion itself. you could have the most disingenuous argument, but so long as your delivery is quick and punchy you're deemed the 'winner.'
it's like the people who watch that shit are only trying to validify their world view by watching total assholes who agree with them be dickwads who talk down to people who are usually smarter and more easy going than they are.
I fully agree that it's garbage but I'll give a shaky defense of it, as someone who watches that stuff occasionally.
When you read books, listen to speeches or listen to friendly interviews, the argument is well structured and highly convincing. The argument is able to be laid out in its entirety. But it is laid out uncritically, you might say it's "biased." Liberals are obsessed with this, "all sides need to be heard" - as most of us on here, I grew up a liberal. The liberal blood continues to flow within me.
A debate lets the two wolves inside you fight it out, to expose things you may have taken for granted from one side. I liked watching Ben Burgis debate Prof. David "AnCap" Friedman, Milton Friedman's failson. Friedman took the POV of the dying liberal inside me, points I'm genuinely curious about that I haven't heard addressed properly from a leftist perspective. It's basically Hegelian dialectics on cocaine.
Another example is Hakim on Vaush's stream. Vaush made points that a small part of me may have considered, and Hakim laid out why he's wrong. I have to admit, a big part of it is my boredom and pathological thirst for meaningless online drama. Watching Vaush squirm and start agreeing with everything Hakim said was funny to me. I promise I'm in recovery, I'm trying to not enjoy this.
The vast majority of the time in any debate like this, especially during COVID, is fundamentally based more on communication skills, as opposed to substantive theories or empirical evidence. An endless amount of time is wasted, and the arguments are barely scratched on the surface.
at least you're aware that it's mostly nonsense and are already looking at things reasonably objectively. what i hate most about that shit is that people who may be willing to educate themselves end up getting shitty view points because whoever delivered them may have emerged as the 'victor' of the argument, despite having a shitty take, which then gets instilled into the audience.
Just judging by the fact that Vaush fans think Vaush "won the debate" with Hakim and therefore ML is cancelled, tells you all you need to know about how effective it is.
I have a lefty friend from high school who had cool takes last summer and now just reposts Vaush shit, it's tragic.
Also now that I mention it, I don't even think it's debate culture that's the root of this evil. I think what's much more concerning is that people get such a following without doing ANY of the intellectual work behind it. Vaush literally just picks a topic, reads some Wikipedia entries, draws an analogy (literally draws, on MS Paint) and that's his streams. Prager U is literally more well researched than Vaush is.
Actually Hasan Piker is similarly terrible in that regard, even though I'm torn on him as I agree with many of his takes. Idk man. Shit sucks.
I had one better, until this post I had no idea who destiny was.
I kneel :07:
I'm just continually surprised that he is now a debate lord who is taken seriously by an alarming amount of people, when I first heard of him he was a Starcraft player who got his dickpics leaked.
Tbh I don’t think destiny is that influential outside of people who are into online politics . I feel like Hassan is more well known with “normies.” Kind of like how I know people offline who are aware of contrapoints, but would look at you blankly if you mentioned vaush or destiny
is it, uh, a good dick?
Never looked. I remember it because his fans decided that the reasonable thing to do was to post their own dickpics in solidarity.
lol I totally forgot about that thanks
So if you go into the chat and tell them to post hog, your inbox just gets flooded with liberal nuts?
i don't get why edgy argumentative garbage gets an audience at all. people seem to rarely care about the content of the discussion itself. you could have the most disingenuous argument, but so long as your delivery is quick and punchy you're deemed the 'winner.'
it's like the people who watch that shit are only trying to validify their world view by watching total assholes who agree with them be dickwads who talk down to people who are usually smarter and more easy going than they are.
I fully agree that it's garbage but I'll give a shaky defense of it, as someone who watches that stuff occasionally.
When you read books, listen to speeches or listen to friendly interviews, the argument is well structured and highly convincing. The argument is able to be laid out in its entirety. But it is laid out uncritically, you might say it's "biased." Liberals are obsessed with this, "all sides need to be heard" - as most of us on here, I grew up a liberal. The liberal blood continues to flow within me.
A debate lets the two wolves inside you fight it out, to expose things you may have taken for granted from one side. I liked watching Ben Burgis debate Prof. David "AnCap" Friedman, Milton Friedman's failson. Friedman took the POV of the dying liberal inside me, points I'm genuinely curious about that I haven't heard addressed properly from a leftist perspective. It's basically Hegelian dialectics on cocaine.
Another example is Hakim on Vaush's stream. Vaush made points that a small part of me may have considered, and Hakim laid out why he's wrong. I have to admit, a big part of it is my boredom and pathological thirst for meaningless online drama. Watching Vaush squirm and start agreeing with everything Hakim said was funny to me. I promise I'm in recovery, I'm trying to not enjoy this.
The vast majority of the time in any debate like this, especially during COVID, is fundamentally based more on communication skills, as opposed to substantive theories or empirical evidence. An endless amount of time is wasted, and the arguments are barely scratched on the surface.
Yet I consume :doomer:
at least you're aware that it's mostly nonsense and are already looking at things reasonably objectively. what i hate most about that shit is that people who may be willing to educate themselves end up getting shitty view points because whoever delivered them may have emerged as the 'victor' of the argument, despite having a shitty take, which then gets instilled into the audience.
Just judging by the fact that Vaush fans think Vaush "won the debate" with Hakim and therefore ML is cancelled, tells you all you need to know about how effective it is.
I have a lefty friend from high school who had cool takes last summer and now just reposts Vaush shit, it's tragic.
Also now that I mention it, I don't even think it's debate culture that's the root of this evil. I think what's much more concerning is that people get such a following without doing ANY of the intellectual work behind it. Vaush literally just picks a topic, reads some Wikipedia entries, draws an analogy (literally draws, on MS Paint) and that's his streams. Prager U is literally more well researched than Vaush is.
Actually Hasan Piker is similarly terrible in that regard, even though I'm torn on him as I agree with many of his takes. Idk man. Shit sucks.
It's all downhill from here :michael-laugh: