https://twitter.com/theserfstv/status/1384021005589311490
I think one of my best selling points as a human being is that I've never watched a twitch debate in my life and I never will.
I'm just continually surprised that he is now a debate lord who is taken seriously by an alarming amount of people, when I first heard of him he was a Starcraft player who got his dickpics leaked.
Tbh I don’t think destiny is that influential outside of people who are into online politics . I feel like Hassan is more well known with “normies.” Kind of like how I know people offline who are aware of contrapoints, but would look at you blankly if you mentioned vaush or destiny
Never looked. I remember it because his fans decided that the reasonable thing to do was to post their own dickpics in solidarity.
So if you go into the chat and tell them to post hog, your inbox just gets flooded with liberal nuts?
i don't get why edgy argumentative garbage gets an audience at all. people seem to rarely care about the content of the discussion itself. you could have the most disingenuous argument, but so long as your delivery is quick and punchy you're deemed the 'winner.'
it's like the people who watch that shit are only trying to validify their world view by watching total assholes who agree with them be dickwads who talk down to people who are usually smarter and more easy going than they are.
I fully agree that it's garbage but I'll give a shaky defense of it, as someone who watches that stuff occasionally.
When you read books, listen to speeches or listen to friendly interviews, the argument is well structured and highly convincing. The argument is able to be laid out in its entirety. But it is laid out uncritically, you might say it's "biased." Liberals are obsessed with this, "all sides need to be heard" - as most of us on here, I grew up a liberal. The liberal blood continues to flow within me.
A debate lets the two wolves inside you fight it out, to expose things you may have taken for granted from one side. I liked watching Ben Burgis debate Prof. David "AnCap" Friedman, Milton Friedman's failson. Friedman took the POV of the dying liberal inside me, points I'm genuinely curious about that I haven't heard addressed properly from a leftist perspective. It's basically Hegelian dialectics on cocaine.
Another example is Hakim on Vaush's stream. Vaush made points that a small part of me may have considered, and Hakim laid out why he's wrong. I have to admit, a big part of it is my boredom and pathological thirst for meaningless online drama. Watching Vaush squirm and start agreeing with everything Hakim said was funny to me. I promise I'm in recovery, I'm trying to not enjoy this.
The vast majority of the time in any debate like this, especially during COVID, is fundamentally based more on communication skills, as opposed to substantive theories or empirical evidence. An endless amount of time is wasted, and the arguments are barely scratched on the surface.
Yet I consume :doomer:
at least you're aware that it's mostly nonsense and are already looking at things reasonably objectively. what i hate most about that shit is that people who may be willing to educate themselves end up getting shitty view points because whoever delivered them may have emerged as the 'victor' of the argument, despite having a shitty take, which then gets instilled into the audience.
Just judging by the fact that Vaush fans think Vaush "won the debate" with Hakim and therefore ML is cancelled, tells you all you need to know about how effective it is.
I have a lefty friend from high school who had cool takes last summer and now just reposts Vaush shit, it's tragic.
Also now that I mention it, I don't even think it's debate culture that's the root of this evil. I think what's much more concerning is that people get such a following without doing ANY of the intellectual work behind it. Vaush literally just picks a topic, reads some Wikipedia entries, draws an analogy (literally draws, on MS Paint) and that's his streams. Prager U is literally more well researched than Vaush is.
Actually Hasan Piker is similarly terrible in that regard, even though I'm torn on him as I agree with many of his takes. Idk man. Shit sucks.
If youre ever bored watch debates not because you want to see people defend ideas or some dum shit likw that but rather all the weird shit those debate bros logic themselves into believing
Wolff won't give the himbo the time of day
Could be GTA RPing with him instead
Destiny has a much larger audience than The Serfs or Wolff. In all likelihood The Serfs and Wolff want to expose Destiny's impressionable audience to Marxism.
Destiny has a much larger audience than... Wolff
:sadness:
I wish I could go back in time and kill every single Greek philosopher except Diogenes.
Imagine the world where jerking off in public is "conservative"
Lol there were plenty of guys that were inundated with similar ideas that just didn't get to go first. You'll have to just go back completely and drink the primordial soup
Why is this bad? Yall talk a lot about doing praxis but scoff at so many opportunities to deprogram libs and chuds.
My biggest fear is that he's not really able to "look good" during the debate, since Destiny probably has more experience with debating people, and just being correct isn't enough to look good during one.
I mean if there's anyone to shove Destiny's face into the dirt...
Only if he was actually going to literally shove his face into the dirt.
marx would not only go to the debate as he would then later add a chapter to the capital called "DESTINY IS A LITTLE DUMBASS WHO KNOWS SHIT ABOUT SHIT"
Lenin was more vicious and snappy. I'm not convinced that Wolff knows how to deal with bad-faith YouTubers
Yeah people here should climb out of their own ass. Wolff is a grown ass man and he can manage his time however he likes, if thinks he can get something out of this fucking let him god damn. How much time did you dorks waste on this website?
How is this different than slavoj wiping his ass with Jordan Peterson
What are you doing Wolff this is this kind of shit you do when you're bored in quarantine. I assume you got your vaccine go outside or something.
Destiny is a neoliberal twitch streamer. Destiny gets about 4000 live viewers on average, in comparison TheSerfsTV averages 650 live viewers. Destiny used to do group streams with Hasan Piker, a socialist twitch streamer who is the nephew of Cenk Uygur (TYT / The Young Turks). Destiny and Hasan had a falling out and Destiny accused Hasan of saying the n-word. Hasan responded by calling Destiny a "weaselly little liar".
More recently he said that a trans women not disclosing during a hook-up to be trans is tantamount to rape :)))
Wolff WAS the only person to ever beat Brie and Virgil in debate
https://badfaith.libsyn.com/the-red-green-w-professor-richard-wolff
To expose a huge audience of gullible young people to actual good ideas?
Destiny is Seth from Street Fighter IV. A seemingly self aware AI inhabiting a machine body powered by a "Tanden Engine" capable of mimicking techniques of other fighters. An impressive warrior no doubt. However, Wolff is Oni, the evolved version of Akuma/Gouki who has been warped from accessing the full power of the Satsui no Hado (Surge of Murderous Intent) and is basically a god of martial arts. Akuma alone demolishes Seth ten out of ten times. And Oni is just that but way stronger.
Have The Serfs ever done or been associated with anything that isn't cringe?
They have connections to some other good folks on the platform but they REALLY toe the line with the "Uyghur genocide" stuff and spreading use of "tankie"
