Chomskyism and its consequenses have been a disaster for humanity.
Like yeah anarchists always were anti-leninist in their theory and approach and thats understandable but the ahistorical conseption that Lenin and the boshleviks somehow co-opted a movement and took over some ACTUALY LEFTIST AND PURE revolution (which many actualy believe that it was anarchist/libsoc/demsoc led lmao) by authoritarianism and couped/killed the legitimate more democratic leftists that did all the job has been popularized in anarchist/libsoc/demsoc spaces by Chomsky and the likes.
Its insane that this narrative is so prevalent. Complete rewritting of history and a spit to the grave of those revolutionaries that brought about the first and most important proletarian revolution in history. The Bolsheviks didnt have popular support and just killed and suppressed the other more popular leftists ? What is this shit. Even right wing accounts and historiography around that period and revolution is completely oppossed to that. Kropotkin would be pulling out his beard with shit like this and he was critical of Lenin during that period happening and lived through it
Lenin betrayed the revolution ? Im not one for great man theory but reading about the timeline without Lenin or a Lenin like figure (good luck thinking that those will just always arise when there is a need for them) there wouldnt be a proletarian revolution . Crushing the soviets? Literally "power to the soviets was the main post revolution slogan". The decrease in decision making power and influence of the soviet system came under war communism and good luck going through the civil war and 13 country invasion without it, it was reversed right afterwards. Cotemporary anti-bolshevik western reporting was all about how the dump soviets created chaos and local conflicts everywhere by the soviet system, western liberal "journalists" were fear mongering about the horrible system of no bosses and of workers deciding production that is ennacted in Russia and how it will obviously lead to their collapse and economic failure without the capitalist. These people know there are actual accounts of workers describing their lives under lenin and stalin and how their work system was.About voting and deciding stuff and the back and forth with the party and the empowerment they had. It wasnt 400 hundred years ago or some alternate reality. Tens of millions lived through it, some are alive till now to remember working after the NEP under Stalin.
The prosecution complex of these extremely online people is hillarious. MLs dont want to kill you or throw you in camps or is sitting in their house thinking about it just cause Kornstadt and Makhnovia were suppressed (which again is much more historicaly gray than Bolsheviks being jealous of the successfull and pure hearted revolutionary anarchists and killing them cause authoritarianism). Fact is that thousands of russian anarchists worked with the Bolsheviks to build the proletarian state and defend the revolution. And a lot actualy went against the Bolsheviks not just in theory but by terrorism and open rebellion. Bukharin and dozens of bolshaviks where bombed DURING a pro anarchist/ left unity party commitee organized by Bukharin to support anarchists he thought were unfairly detained and put forth process for their release. So yeah a lot were suppressed as well no shit
The persecution complex they have is the worst thing about them. As :party-parenti: put it
Safely ensconced within a virulently anticommunist society, Orwell (with Orwellian doublethink) characterized the condemnation of communism as a lonely courageous act of defiance. Today, his ideological progeny are still at it, offering themselves as intrepid left critics of the Left, waging a valiant struggle against imaginary Marxist-Leninist-Stalinist hordes.
Crushing the soviets? Literally “power to the soviets was the main post revolution slogan”. The decrease in decision making power and influence of the soviet system came under war communism and good luck going through the civil war and 13 country invasion without it, it was reversed right afterwards
roflmao
The prosecution complex of these extremely online people is hillarious. MLs dont want to kill you or throw you in camps or is sitting in their house thinking about it just cause Kornstadt and Makhnovia were suppressed (which again is much more historicaly gray than Bolsheviks being jealous of the successfull and pure hearted revolutionary anarchists and killing them cause authoritarianism). Fact is that thousands of russian anarchists worked with the Bolsheviks to build the proletarian state and defend the revolution. And a lot actualy went against the Bolsheviks not just in theory but by terrorism and open rebellion. Bukharin and dozens of bolshaviks where bombed DURING a pro anarchist/ left unity party commitee organized by Bukharin to support anarchists he thought were unfairly detained and put forth process for their release. So yeah a lot were suppressed as well no shit
Yeah, anti great man theory doesn't mean there's never great men, or at least determined individuals who make a difference. It just means they're not the primary drivers of history. They arise out of and take part in the overarching class conflicts
Incredibly well said. Indefenseoftoucans also covers a response to Chomsky's anticommunist propaganda against Lenin. The "destroyed the soviets" thing is particularly flabbergasting. Oh and if one more person cries to me over Kronstadt or Makhnovia so help me god. These people make me defend and positively cite Trotsky, you know what that does to a person?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KtRivLcuBYs
https://marxistleftreview.org/articles/nestor-makhno-the-failure-of-anarchism/
Chomskyism and its consequenses have been a disaster for humanity.
Like yeah anarchists always were anti-leninist in their theory and approach and thats understandable but the ahistorical conseption that Lenin and the boshleviks somehow co-opted a movement and took over some ACTUALY LEFTIST AND PURE revolution (which many actualy believe that it was anarchist/libsoc/demsoc led lmao) by authoritarianism and couped/killed the legitimate more democratic leftists that did all the job has been popularized in anarchist/libsoc/demsoc spaces by Chomsky and the likes.
Its insane that this narrative is so prevalent. Complete rewritting of history and a spit to the grave of those revolutionaries that brought about the first and most important proletarian revolution in history. The Bolsheviks didnt have popular support and just killed and suppressed the other more popular leftists ? What is this shit. Even right wing accounts and historiography around that period and revolution is completely oppossed to that. Kropotkin would be pulling out his beard with shit like this and he was critical of Lenin during that period happening and lived through it
Lenin betrayed the revolution ? Im not one for great man theory but reading about the timeline without Lenin or a Lenin like figure (good luck thinking that those will just always arise when there is a need for them) there wouldnt be a proletarian revolution . Crushing the soviets? Literally "power to the soviets was the main post revolution slogan". The decrease in decision making power and influence of the soviet system came under war communism and good luck going through the civil war and 13 country invasion without it, it was reversed right afterwards. Cotemporary anti-bolshevik western reporting was all about how the dump soviets created chaos and local conflicts everywhere by the soviet system, western liberal "journalists" were fear mongering about the horrible system of no bosses and of workers deciding production that is ennacted in Russia and how it will obviously lead to their collapse and economic failure without the capitalist. These people know there are actual accounts of workers describing their lives under lenin and stalin and how their work system was.About voting and deciding stuff and the back and forth with the party and the empowerment they had. It wasnt 400 hundred years ago or some alternate reality. Tens of millions lived through it, some are alive till now to remember working after the NEP under Stalin.
The prosecution complex of these extremely online people is hillarious. MLs dont want to kill you or throw you in camps or is sitting in their house thinking about it just cause Kornstadt and Makhnovia were suppressed (which again is much more historicaly gray than Bolsheviks being jealous of the successfull and pure hearted revolutionary anarchists and killing them cause authoritarianism). Fact is that thousands of russian anarchists worked with the Bolsheviks to build the proletarian state and defend the revolution. And a lot actualy went against the Bolsheviks not just in theory but by terrorism and open rebellion. Bukharin and dozens of bolshaviks where bombed DURING a pro anarchist/ left unity party commitee organized by Bukharin to support anarchists he thought were unfairly detained and put forth process for their release. So yeah a lot were suppressed as well no shit
The persecution complex they have is the worst thing about them. As :party-parenti: put it
roflmao
Roflmao 2
Yeah, anti great man theory doesn't mean there's never great men, or at least determined individuals who make a difference. It just means they're not the primary drivers of history. They arise out of and take part in the overarching class conflicts
Incredibly well said. Indefenseoftoucans also covers a response to Chomsky's anticommunist propaganda against Lenin. The "destroyed the soviets" thing is particularly flabbergasting. Oh and if one more person cries to me over Kronstadt or Makhnovia so help me god. These people make me defend and positively cite Trotsky, you know what that does to a person? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KtRivLcuBYs https://marxistleftreview.org/articles/nestor-makhno-the-failure-of-anarchism/
anytime i see them mentioned I come so so close violating left unity