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Though he did clarify they don't have a worse police state than the US. He just both-sides it.
Edit - It's a law of hexbear that every discussion must turn into a struggle session. Especially if the discussion involves China.
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Though he did clarify they don't have a worse police state than the US. He just both-sides it.
Edit - It's a law of hexbear that every discussion must turn into a struggle session. Especially if the discussion involves China.
Do you have evidence that China's police are bad?
all cops are bastards.
Ian Miles Cheong, retweeted by Joe Rogan, lmao.
Edit: To elaborate, if the best source for this you can find is a nazi who still cares about gamergate deeply, retweeted by the most gullible far right podcaster on planet earth, I'm not gonna take this very seriously as evidence of anything and neither should anyone else.
What is the context of this video? How do I know this is "chinese police"? It's posted on a YouTube channel that seems to be exclusively MMA news?
the context of the video is obvious if you watch it. they're wearing chinese police uniforms and speaking chinese and using tiger chairs, which are used widely in china.
i critically support china because they are making leaps and bounds in terms of ending poverty and expanding communism, but a cops a cop, those chairs are fucked, and that you get put in one for criticizing cops on the internet is pretty fucked up.
ignore the chud pretending to be a news anchor and just watch the footage of the police in china, acting pretty much just like american cops. beating the shit out of people.
fuck cops everywhere.
Like a couple 10 second clips of cops punching someone isn't "cops in this country are violent and irredeemable". People elsewhere have pointed out that cops in China don't carry guns either. I get the point that there are cops in China that are just like American cops, who are abusive psychos but is there any evidence its a widespread systemic thing like it is in the US?
cops in every country are violent and irredeemable. and chinese cops have carried guns since like 2014.
It sounds like it's only some officers that have guns. I don't think it's a standard thing still.
either way, i just provided you with a video where someone was put into one of those chairs for even criticizing cops, the idea that there's going to be a massive amount of footage of their abuse is illogical, but there's enough to provide a look at the similarities between our cops and theirs. but the point being is that a cop by definition is a bastard. a hammer and sickle isn't going to change that. there needs to be international police reform and community policing/police elections, and their actions need to be open to citizen review in every single country. we can strive towards communism, but if we're going to empower/enable this kind of shit while striving towards it, then we're still living in fear of our governments.
china's great in a lot of ways, but piker's take that china is a police state much like the US is legitimate.
edit: cops by number in china probably have far less murders, but they are still state sanctioned thugs, and that's just something that comes with a hierarchical system of policing authority, it's easily open to abuse.
No it isn't, it stands to reason that if they are committing a lot of abuses there's going to be a lot of footage of it just like there is in the US, considering how many people in China walk around with smart phones and it isn't some cloistered off hermit kingdom.
Not probably, the number of people killed by police in China is very typically single digits for an entire year, compared to almost 1,000 a year in the US, and thats with China having 4 times as many people. So it's a difference of like 400x.
I do agree that interrogation video is messed up and an abuse of power, and definitely worthy of criticism. I would just caution against drawing an equivalence between the US and China on this issue, I don't think they are in the same ballpark. From what I have heard from people in China they're not even close to as bad as US police.
I would like to mention that while I am opposed to torture and thus forced lockdowns in chairs like that (also in mental hospitals btw.), the outrage about that video from the western online audience and existence of that video does tell a lot.
The only thing I want to write about though is that it acts as if the US for example wouldn't have the praxis of punishing people with forced and stress positions - so with other words torture - people, be it in Guantanamo, be it in prison, be it in black sites, be it in jails, be it in police stations, be it in mental hospitals, be it in "private" prisons, be it in orphanages, be it in the Teenage-conversion-industry, be it in Chicagos black sites were they torture people without any liberal-cause at all.
The chairs are widely used in the US and feature heavily in series of abuses, there are stress position torture, sexual abuses including pretty heavy stuff, forced feeding, general abuse and also murder associated with them.
I will not talk about that the history of those US restrains is centuries old and did only get marginal better (and for many didn't get better at all), but ask - why is this not common knowledge and where is the just wrath against it?
Furthermore the US has a history of torture to press out confessions, while the mode changed since the 1930s some police units didn't change much and threats are still essential to the US "penal" system.
ACAB is very true within the US.
of course, it's true everywhere. all cops are bastards, especially american cops.
China Uncensored is literally Falun Gong, like I said with the other clip if this is the best you have then at best you're gullible as fuck and at worst you're flat out trying to spread anticommunism on this site.
Like disguising this shit as "Oh its just a chud news anchor" is flat out maliciously trying to obscure the fact that you linked a literal far right cult as your evidence.
Edit: Also "context is obvious if you watch the video" is not a real answer when someone asks for more evidence, police uniforms aren't some kind of secret garment that is locked up in safes whenever not in use, nor is "these are widely used in China" evidence either except that the video is from China, thats like filming a video of waterboarding and saying that because the US does waterboarding, this is evidence of US waterboarding in this video. Its a fucking weird video for many reasons and your dismissal of peoples concern is suspicious as fuck, especially when paired with the fact that both the video above and the one in your comment here are literally from extreme far right sources.
dude you're full of shit. as i said, ignroe the chud, but the fucking videos of cops literally dropping a woman to the ground by her neck is legitimate video. if you try to doubt it you're a fucking bootlicker
You can't just fucking link literal far right sources and say "Oh ignore the chud", am I gonna fucking link you stormfront and say "Oh all the nazi shit doesnt matter just watch their evidence"?
If you cant find anyone better that has acknowledged this that says a fucking lot about the shit you are trying to claim is fact and real.
i put up three different videos from three different sources of cops being cops. you definitely sound like a fuckin bootlicker.
You got one from a neo nazi gamergater, one from a far right cult that claims china is literally run by satan behind the scenes, and then one thats just a raw video.
Lead with the raw video instead of weakly fucking going "Oh all the nazi shit they say is irrelevant just watch the evidence", like do you not realize how fucking suspicious it looks when twice your apparent best sources are full blown reactionaries infamous for spreading reactionary propaganda? Or better yet just fuck off.
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Ok nazi, go jerk off to Li Hongzi and maybe he will cure all your problems.
you tried to label me a fuckin op for showing you that ACAB, while you're defending police abuse. you are indeed a fucking bootlicker, don't fuckin call me a nazi.
Why are you defending linking nazi sources then and dismissing all concerns that apparently the only people who care about this are nazis?
i didn't do any of that, i'm saying that the videos that they're using are still fucking videos of actual events. not "only nazis" care about international police brutality, in the fact the only people that don't care about it tend to lick boots.
i'm disengaging.
Its common practice to not fucking provoke people when disengaging but fine, you do you, big baby.
if there was a source that didn't have a chud talking through it i would have used that, but the video in no way looks manipulated. you're literally using the fact that someassholes are using it, as a proof to claim that i'm aligned with them. shitty places can report on real things that occur in real life.
Yeah lemme go get it.
QED ACAB
Are they as bad as US police? Probably not. Are they police? ACAB.