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Though he did clarify they don't have a worse police state than the US. He just both-sides it.

Edit - It's a law of hexbear that every discussion must turn into a struggle session. Especially if the discussion involves China.

  • zifnab25 [he/him, any]
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    4 年前

    Is China a proletarian state or a capitalist state in transition?

    I'd argue that much of the "China Bad" rhetoric is purely projection by Westerners who can't conceive of a police force less draconian and brutal as it's own.

    But, like, even Carl Xha periodically complains about the reactionary state of Chinese censorship. And then there's the various blue laws and nacro-laws common to nearly every post industrial state.

    Whatever may be said of its peers, China certainly isn't the model for a leftist community defense force.

    • Huldra [they/them, it/its]
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      4 年前

      My take on China is that it's a proletarian state in a primarily capitalist system, which means that Chinas police and state as a whole are not fully proletarian in character due to the fact that the bourgeoise has a certain degree of influence it's interests are reflected in law and police.

      But at the same time its obviously and meaningfully proletarian too and not solely dedicated to bourgeoise interests, as demonstrated by the crackdowns on corruption and flat out executions of the very most corrupt who take bribes or do other financial crime regardless of their wealth.

      • zifnab25 [he/him, any]
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        4 年前

        But at the same time its obviously and meaningfully proletarian too and not solely dedicated to bourgeoise interests

        I think that still kinda remains to be seen. It is definitely not dedicated to western bourgeoisie interests. Being anti-colonial is necessary but not sufficient.

        I have a hard time judging Chinese policing from behind a language barrier and a media barrier and a geographic barrier, so I could be wrong about everything. But it seems as though the state is more in line with FDR-Era state capitalism than a serious Marxist government.

        • Huldra [they/them, it/its]
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          4 年前

          To me at least, its activities in breaking up monopolies and the business empires of corrupt billionaires as well as flat out executing those who commit crimes shows that its not just hostile towards the western bourgeoise, but that it has its national bourgeoise on an increasingly tight leash, which is essential for the development of China. But I also understand if some people feel sceptical still that its differences point to a proletarian state, I guess it will just have to be seen how they continue onwards towards the 2050 date.