• gvngndz [none/use name,comrade/them]
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    4 years ago

    Easy example: Marx thought revolution would first happen in industrialized countries, but the exact opposite happened, there hasn't been a single long-term communist revolution in industrial countries, and all the revolutions have instead happened in non-industrial countries.

    • jmichigan_frog [he/him]
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      4 years ago

      Long-term is key: Communist revolutions happened in Paris (during his lifetime!) and in Germany (a generation after Engels passed). So mainly he was off-base on how certain he was these workers’ revolutions would succeed.

    • RowPin [they/them]
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      4 years ago

      There actually was a letter where he mentions that Russia had the opportunity for a communist revolution that could skip capitalism/proletarianization due to their heavy peasant population + communication with capitalist countries. Rack 'em

        • RowPin [they/them]
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          4 years ago

          I looked around for it again; here are the 3 letters I was thinking of, arranged from least text to most -

          https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1881/zasulich/reply.htm

          The ‘historical inevitability’ of this course is therefore expressly restricted to the countries of Western Europe. The reason for this restriction is indicated in Ch. XXXII: ‘Private property, founded upon personal labour ... is supplanted by capitalist private property, which rests on exploitation of the labour of others, on wage­labour.’ (loc. cit., p. 340).

          In the Western case, then, one form of private property is transformed into another form of private property. In the case of the Russian peasants, however, their communal property would have to be transformed into private property.

          The analysis in Capital therefore provides no reasons either for or against the vitality of the Russian commune. But the special study I have made of it, including a search for original source­ material, has convinced me that the commune is the fulcrum for social regeneration in Russia. But in order that it might function as such, the harmful influences assailing it on all sides must first be eliminated, and it must then be assured the normal conditions for spontaneous development.

          https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1877/11/russia.htm

          If Russia continues to pursue the path she has followed since 1861, she will lose the finest chance ever offered by history to a nation, in order to undergo all the fatal vicissitudes of the capitalist regime. (...) If Russia is tending to become a capitalist nation after the example of the Western European countries, and during the last years she has been taking a lot of trouble in this direction – she will not succeed without having first transformed a good part of her peasants into proletarians; and after that, once taken to the bosom of the capitalist regime, she will experience its pitiless laws like other profane peoples. That is all.

          But that is not enough for my critic. He feels himself obliged to metamorphose my historical sketch of the genesis of capitalism in Western Europe into an historico-philosophic theory of the marche generale [general path] imposed by fate upon every people, whatever the historic circumstances in which it finds itself, in order that it may ultimately arrive at the form of economy which will ensure, together with the greatest expansion of the productive powers of social labour, the most complete development of man. But I beg his pardon. (He is both honouring and shaming me too much.)

          https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1881/zasulich/draft-1.htm

          My answer is that, thanks to the unique combination of circumstances in Russia, the rural commune, which is still established on a national scale, may gradually shake off its primitive characteristics and directly develop as an element of collective production on a national scale. Precisely because it is contemporaneous with capitalist production, the rural commune may appropriate all its positive achievements without undergoing its [terrible] frightful vicissitudes. Russia does not live in isolation from the modern world, and nor has it fallen prey, like the East Indies, to a conquering foreign power.