Why is the person defending sex work so massively downvoted? Makes that rhetoric seem extremely hollow, especially in the light of the rest of the thread.
I mean, what swerfs outright say "I hate sex workers"?
The response to their second (long) comment lays it out pretty well. Abolition of sex as work is abolition of the patriarchal system that fosters it.
Sex as work is a method of control that allows for the imposition of class power over an individual. Sex is a deeply personal thing that should not be treated as an act of social labor and more as an act of a free individual.
If you want to fuck, go ahead. No one's stopping you. But the existence of sex as work implies that it's being done to pay for ones subsistence when that should be done through labor. Sex should be a leisure activity.
There are some people who would rather their labour be sex work than say standard customer service or factory work. It's a hard subject to deal with as the current system is so steeped in exploitation, but should all sex work be banned? Even socialist countries require some coercion to exist as labour is necessary to provide for the population (for now and the foreseeable future at least), so is sex work less worthy than other types purely due to its nature or just because of the current exploitation?
I really think that it's such a niche thing that it's not worth even exploring until the abolition of the capitalist system. There needs to be a complete destruction of the current system though. If something reforms later under more equitable conditions, it can be handled, but preserving any form of the existing sex work system is not good and will result in the reproduction of the same existing power dynamics that currently exist.
Also I'm gonna let the sex workers make those decisions for themselves after they're provided for and given access to free education, housing, and alternative employment options.
Yes for sure things would need to be completely restructured from the current system . I do think its worth discussing and thinking about what those replacement options might be though, at least a little as it is good to gauge how people feel about the subject, a lot of socialist countries have had very conservative views on things like relationships and sexuality after all and is something that needs to be worked on in a lot of international leftist groups. Any actual functional details of how such a system might actually work should really be left to the people that would actually want to do sex work given the option though.
It's not like we are all going to work at the widget factory during communism, there will be almost as many jobs then as there is now (less need for pointless shit like PR or marketing) , so if someone wants to fulfill their obligations via sex work when given the option then I don't really see the problem. Not something I'd consider or need personally but some would, there are already people working as sex therapists etc.
Why is the person defending sex work so massively downvoted? Makes that rhetoric seem extremely hollow, especially in the light of the rest of the thread.
I mean, what swerfs outright say "I hate sex workers"?
The response to their second (long) comment lays it out pretty well. Abolition of sex as work is abolition of the patriarchal system that fosters it.
Sex as work is a method of control that allows for the imposition of class power over an individual. Sex is a deeply personal thing that should not be treated as an act of social labor and more as an act of a free individual.
If you want to fuck, go ahead. No one's stopping you. But the existence of sex as work implies that it's being done to pay for ones subsistence when that should be done through labor. Sex should be a leisure activity.
There are some people who would rather their labour be sex work than say standard customer service or factory work. It's a hard subject to deal with as the current system is so steeped in exploitation, but should all sex work be banned? Even socialist countries require some coercion to exist as labour is necessary to provide for the population (for now and the foreseeable future at least), so is sex work less worthy than other types purely due to its nature or just because of the current exploitation?
I really think that it's such a niche thing that it's not worth even exploring until the abolition of the capitalist system. There needs to be a complete destruction of the current system though. If something reforms later under more equitable conditions, it can be handled, but preserving any form of the existing sex work system is not good and will result in the reproduction of the same existing power dynamics that currently exist.
Also I'm gonna let the sex workers make those decisions for themselves after they're provided for and given access to free education, housing, and alternative employment options.
Yes for sure things would need to be completely restructured from the current system . I do think its worth discussing and thinking about what those replacement options might be though, at least a little as it is good to gauge how people feel about the subject, a lot of socialist countries have had very conservative views on things like relationships and sexuality after all and is something that needs to be worked on in a lot of international leftist groups. Any actual functional details of how such a system might actually work should really be left to the people that would actually want to do sex work given the option though.
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It's not like we are all going to work at the widget factory during communism, there will be almost as many jobs then as there is now (less need for pointless shit like PR or marketing) , so if someone wants to fulfill their obligations via sex work when given the option then I don't really see the problem. Not something I'd consider or need personally but some would, there are already people working as sex therapists etc.
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