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  • dead [he/him]
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    3 years ago

    The Article title seems misleading. If you read the article, which is very short, there is a referenced quote by Xi.

    It is not an easy task to develop the small rice noodle business into such a large industry, said Xi.
    "We encourage the development of private businesses. When they encounter difficulties, the Party and the state give them support, and when confusion arises, guidance is offered, with the hope that they can develop boldly and with confidence."

    Xi is telling private businesses to seek guidance from the Communist Party and the state if they want to keep existing. This seems more like a threat to the businesses that don't follow the guidance.

    Imagine if a US politician told a small business that they need to seek guidance from the Communist Party.

    • space_comrade [he/him]
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      3 years ago

      Yup seems like a reiterating of the current status quo in China. I would love for Xi to come out and say "fucking prepare to be assimilated you dorks" but it seems we're gonna have to wait for that a bit more.

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      1 year ago

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    • Chutt_Buggins [he/him]
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      3 years ago

      This also isn't far off what the BPP tried to do.

      There's a clip online of Chairman Fred telling a business owner seeking a loan that they won't give them any loans without political education from the party to ensure the business being supported isn't accidentally going to go against the needs of the people and the party by becoming yet another unrestrained capitalist enterprise.

    • TrumanShow_IRL [none/use name]
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      3 years ago

      This seems more like a threat to the businesses that don’t follow the guidance.

      Business is famously threatened by careerist bureaucrats who want to prove that their policies are effective at increasing profits and industrial development

      Imagine if a US politician told a small business that they need to seek guidance from the Communist Party.

      the Small Business Administration is proletarian in nature because it helps confused and unconfident entrepreneurs

  • Huldra [they/them, it/its]
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    3 years ago

    Xi told a local specialty noodle business that the party will help them make more noodles, this is the end of communism.

    This is the kind of shit people who defend AOC say she gets but actually real. Like are you a baby, is this the first you have ever heard of China? Private businesses are part of the current system and path so obviously the idea is to do that as well as possible, same shit with the billionaires, if you are gonna do this kind of system they are gonna exist and preventing them from existing is prolonging your stay in this system at best, and sabotaging it at worst.

    If you wanna critique Chinas system do a real systemwide critique, don't look for basic statements like this and act like its a revelation that something like this has been said or done, its the lowest form of argumentation alongside quote mining.

      • Huldra [they/them, it/its]
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        3 years ago

        With someone like AOC who doesn't write theory, cite theory or even belong to a group that has a theoretical basis, doing shit like this where you analyse statements is all you can really do. But China has several presidents worth of theory leading up to the modern day path and system that form a comprehensive base for why they are doing this and what risks there may be. But apparently they never thought "hmm businesses with a lot of money and capital may gain political power" and therefore they are dumb and wrong about everything.

    • Anarxist [comrade/them]
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      3 years ago

      Yeah, and making rice noodles is obviously outside the commanding heights of the economy, which is what is under public ownership for their long-term NEP development model, so this isn't exactly a big revelation or anything to anyone who has been paying attention. State-owned enterprises still exist and compete with private enterprises, collective enterprises, and mixed enterprises outside the commanding heights in China, but a lot more private enterprise is allowed to exist in these non-strategic industries because it saves on monitoring and operational costs for the state and facilitates attracting more foreign capital and technology that China needs to develop. The NEP model certainly isn't immune to criticism, but if a developing country is going to use it as part of their development strategy, then it would be ridiculous for state officials to suggest that they want private enterprises to develop poorly and offer absolutely no support. They would just be sabotaging their own economy at that point. The headline would be more concerning if the state was instead privatizing actual public enterprises, which isn't the case. It just restates what we already know.

    • Huldra [they/them, it/its]
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      3 years ago

      The poorer and isolated we are the easier it is to achieve socialism, being under siege for decades is great for the people.

      Easy strawman eh.

    • FidelCashflow [he/him]
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      3 years ago

      I am pretty sure that is what marx said.

      Like not a bit, the power of liberal capitlaism to prefigure the forces and resources to allow socialism to flurish was a big hook of his theory wasn't it? How both the material accumulation and the growing contradictions bring the path to socialism in view or something

      • TrumanShow_IRL [none/use name]
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        3 years ago

        prefigure the forces and resources to allow socialism to flurish

        There is no material difference between Elon Musk and any woke socialist comrade who thinks we can replace fossil fuels with solar panels

    • Huldra [they/them, it/its]
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      3 years ago

      People cant seem to grasp the basic idea that if you have private businesses in your system under your general control, you want them to be successful and bring money into your country.

      Like theres nothing to gain from half measures like... telling businesses to get fucked and go bankrupt?

  • FidelCashflow [he/him]
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    3 years ago

    Welcome to the war of the future. Maybe.

    I would still be pleased to see china destieying American's true government by taking out the corporations.

    So far china seems fo have been able to play with fire and not get bufned too badly. I am optimistic that them breaking the back of the corporations could only be good in the long run.

    • Huldra [they/them, it/its]
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      3 years ago

      I mean, this isnt a surprise, this is a decades long continous path. Either all China since Mao is one big miss or theres some merit in this path.

  • Firebreather2P [she/her]
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    3 years ago

    Why need the 3 gorges dam when they can use the electricity generated by Mao spinning in his grave