Not accurate. This is not a prohibition issue. This is focused on limiting the way that capitalists can manipulate people with advertisements and snake oil. Cigarette companies have spent decades saying that menthol cigarettes are more healthy for you. I don't think that any drug should be advertised, but in the US we have drug advertisements on television.
You may say that "We're all adult, we can do we want," but this is naive. This is the same kind of thing that liberals say about wage labor. Liberals say "We're all adults. You don't need a union to protect you." Doing what you want to yourself may be okay, but profiting by exploiting people is not okay. Cigarette companies exploit and manipulate cigarette users in ways that the user may not even understand. Cigarette companies should be obstructed in any way possible.
Being against prohibition does not mean being against business regulation.
This is focused on limiting the way that capitalists can manipulate people with advertisements and snake oil. Cigarette companies have spent decades saying that menthol cigarettes are more healthy for you. I don’t think that any drug should be advertised, but in the US we have drug advertisements on television.
You can ban all of that without banning the actual sale of menthols.
Anyone who smokes knows that menthols are worse for you. The urban legends about the added fiberglass or switching to menthols when you have bronchitis to make yourself cough out more crap are both hella common in low income communities where people smoke. Considering how little advertising there is for nicotine nowadays, I must have missed the period where they advertised that menthols were healthier. If anything, the people that smoked them liked them because they were harsher but had a flavor.
Either way, it's been seen over and over that prohibition doesn't work. Ban menthols. People will find a way to dip their cigs in VaporRub or something. Ban vaping. People learn to make their own vape juice and sell it. Ban alcohol and people will brew their own. And then people will get sick even worse than they did from the original substances because these modifications will be completely unregulated.
I agree that smoking shouldn't be banned and that propaganda isn't a mind control ray, but fucking hell did cigarette advertisments work well. They worked so well that even though they're mostly banned, the effects are still rippling through our society via generational transmission.
Cigarettes have lore to them in working class communities. Everyone has a brand they smoke and it becomes a part of your identity. More than anything else I can think of except maybe a car. I know dozens of people with Camel Cash stories they got from their grandparents and shit.
So yeah, the marketing worked insanely well. It helped that the product was addictive, but I really don't think it would have been the same without the pervasiveness of the advertisement and branding.
I fully agree in that it's more of a generational thing and working class association moreso than outright people "falling for advertising" that has been illegal for years that seems to be the angle being peddled a lot in this thread. My smoking habit came from being a cook and that's the only way you can get breaks. I'd never defend smoking but a lot of people here seem to to be using the same late 80s just say no kind of logic towards smoking or acting like adults who made a decision knowing the consequences were manipulated by tobacco ads that were outlawed before most of us were born, smoking is bad and Id prefer not to but the moralizing here is sickening
This is not a prohibition. It's a business regulation. Make your own menthols if you want.
Alcohol is already extremely regulated in very similar ways. There are very strict guidelines on how alcohol is made and sold.
You already admitted in another post that you oppose the ban because you smoke menthol cigarettes yourself and don't want to be inconvenienced. You don't care that cigarette companies exploit people. You don't care that cigarette companies prey on black communities. You just don't want a tiny inconvenience in your life.
Read the article by the FDA. According to their research, the ban of the sale of menthol cigarettes is predicted to prevent the deaths of 633,000 people, including 237,000 African Americans. To you, a tiny inconvenience is more important than the lives of 633,000 people. Then you say that it's entirely their fault, as if it not possible that people were deceived, manipulated, and exploited.
This is a liberal mindset to think that consumption of a commodity is simply a relationship between the consumer and the commodity. The commodity is a relationship between the consumer and the producer. You are doing commodity fetishism. The menthol cigarette sale ban breaks this relationship. You can still roll your own menthol cigarettes.
Not accurate. This is not a prohibition issue. This is focused on limiting the way that capitalists can manipulate people with advertisements and snake oil. Cigarette companies have spent decades saying that menthol cigarettes are more healthy for you. I don't think that any drug should be advertised, but in the US we have drug advertisements on television.
You may say that "We're all adult, we can do we want," but this is naive. This is the same kind of thing that liberals say about wage labor. Liberals say "We're all adults. You don't need a union to protect you." Doing what you want to yourself may be okay, but profiting by exploiting people is not okay. Cigarette companies exploit and manipulate cigarette users in ways that the user may not even understand. Cigarette companies should be obstructed in any way possible.
Being against prohibition does not mean being against business regulation.
You can ban all of that without banning the actual sale of menthols.
Anyone who smokes knows that menthols are worse for you. The urban legends about the added fiberglass or switching to menthols when you have bronchitis to make yourself cough out more crap are both hella common in low income communities where people smoke. Considering how little advertising there is for nicotine nowadays, I must have missed the period where they advertised that menthols were healthier. If anything, the people that smoked them liked them because they were harsher but had a flavor.
Either way, it's been seen over and over that prohibition doesn't work. Ban menthols. People will find a way to dip their cigs in VaporRub or something. Ban vaping. People learn to make their own vape juice and sell it. Ban alcohol and people will brew their own. And then people will get sick even worse than they did from the original substances because these modifications will be completely unregulated.
Oh no I've been TRICKED into smoking!
Sorry, I forgot that you were immune to propaganda.
Propaganda isn't a mind control ray.
Propaganda is peepee poopoo.
I agree that smoking shouldn't be banned and that propaganda isn't a mind control ray, but fucking hell did cigarette advertisments work well. They worked so well that even though they're mostly banned, the effects are still rippling through our society via generational transmission.
Cigarettes have lore to them in working class communities. Everyone has a brand they smoke and it becomes a part of your identity. More than anything else I can think of except maybe a car. I know dozens of people with Camel Cash stories they got from their grandparents and shit.
So yeah, the marketing worked insanely well. It helped that the product was addictive, but I really don't think it would have been the same without the pervasiveness of the advertisement and branding.
I fully agree in that it's more of a generational thing and working class association moreso than outright people "falling for advertising" that has been illegal for years that seems to be the angle being peddled a lot in this thread. My smoking habit came from being a cook and that's the only way you can get breaks. I'd never defend smoking but a lot of people here seem to to be using the same late 80s just say no kind of logic towards smoking or acting like adults who made a decision knowing the consequences were manipulated by tobacco ads that were outlawed before most of us were born, smoking is bad and Id prefer not to but the moralizing here is sickening
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This is not a prohibition. It's a business regulation. Make your own menthols if you want.
Alcohol is already extremely regulated in very similar ways. There are very strict guidelines on how alcohol is made and sold.
You already admitted in another post that you oppose the ban because you smoke menthol cigarettes yourself and don't want to be inconvenienced. You don't care that cigarette companies exploit people. You don't care that cigarette companies prey on black communities. You just don't want a tiny inconvenience in your life.
Read the article by the FDA. According to their research, the ban of the sale of menthol cigarettes is predicted to prevent the deaths of 633,000 people, including 237,000 African Americans. To you, a tiny inconvenience is more important than the lives of 633,000 people. Then you say that it's entirely their fault, as if it not possible that people were deceived, manipulated, and exploited.
This is a liberal mindset to think that consumption of a commodity is simply a relationship between the consumer and the commodity. The commodity is a relationship between the consumer and the producer. You are doing commodity fetishism. The menthol cigarette sale ban breaks this relationship. You can still roll your own menthol cigarettes.
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