He said that people shouldn't be so dismissive about men's issues. He said men and women are more equal now and people act like it's still the 80s. I said if it's 80s to worry about women's issues what is it to worry about men's issues? Are we worried about when the fertility cults were so big in Europe? You are worried about men's issues? That's so 10k BCs of you! Things really progressed when the pharaohs took over! Time to move on!

From now on, whenever I hear anything about men's issues I am going to say, "Stop being so retro! this isn't the 10k BCs!"

    • Chomsky [comrade/them]
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      4 years ago

      Obviously this post was in jest, but...

      I agree that they are important, but I dont think that they should be a priority. There is only one me and I am just going to get burnt out if I expend mental energy on every single social issues facing the species.

      He was mad because I said "While in acknowledge that men's issues exist in the school system and media, for the most part, I don't care about men's issues."

      • wtypstanaccount04 [he/him]
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        4 years ago

        If you don't care about the issues that affect your comrades, then it's much harder to form working class unity. We need to unite behind a set of common goals.

        • StolenStalin [comrade/them,they/them]
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          4 years ago

          Yeah idk how you build relationships and explain how capitalism causes their grievances by dismissing the things that affect them as unimportant(even if it is 'true')

        • Chomsky [comrade/them]
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          4 years ago

          What am I supposed to do? Go to the store and buy a can of empathy? I acknowledge there are problems, I'll be supportive of people who take principled actions to improve the conditions of men, but personally, as a man, I just don't see men's issues as a priority. I honestly found being a man overwhemlingly to be a net positive.

          I personally just don't care and I'm not going to do some special buddhist loving kindness meditations daily until I do care.

            • Chomsky [comrade/them]
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              4 years ago

              I agree, which is I care more about people that are further from having a basic minimum and I care less about those that are closer to having a basic minimum. It is neither possible to care about everything equally nor does it even make sense. Anyone who claims that they care equally about all issues is a bullshitter as far as I am concerned.

        • Chomsky [comrade/them]
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          4 years ago

          Capitalists and proletariat are both harmed by capitalism, but I am not going to start to bemoan the woes of capitalists. Destabilizing contradictions of capital, such as the pressure of capitalists to drive down wages or outsource labour and therefore destroy the markets for their own goods definitely harms capitalists, but marxists are always going to ultimately frame this as proletarian issues because they are the ones that bare the brunt of the negative impacts of a unstable capitalist economy and as such they are going to be the driving force behind revolution

          What you are saying is that patriarchy should also be viewed dialectically, but the revolutionary changes are also in this case going to be driven by those that bear the brunt of problems of patriarchy, women. I just find it rather unlikely that men themselves are going to deconstruct patriarchy since they are the material benefactors of patriarchy. I think it is more constructive to frame it has patriarchy issues than men's issues or perhaps issues of gender normativity, both terms are able to encompass the dialectical nature of the problems.

            • Chomsky [comrade/them]
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              4 years ago

              You seem to be convieniently skipping the smashing the state and forming a dictatorship of the proletariat part. You cant build the new genders from the corpse of the old.

              When I say I'm a "man" I mean I have a penis and I use the term for simplicity sake, but I totally reject the idea of maleness whole cloth. There is nothing from the old patriarchal gender relations that I have any interest in.

                • Chomsky [comrade/them]
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                  4 years ago

                  You mentioned it, but skipped the implications. You skipped right to a classes less society which, presumably, is a genderless society in this case.

                  The analogue of the dictatorship of the proletariat would be the oppresed classes, homosexuals, trans, women, rising up to utterly crush the patriarchy and they very concept of male in the process.

                  What's hard to get about the last part? I reject the concept of maleness so why would I concern myself with men's issues. What aspect of "maleness" would we even want to preserve? It's essentially a set of patriarchal gender normative stereotypes.