https://twitter.com/TrueAnonPod/status/1391951279455277058?s=19

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  • emizeko [they/them]
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    4 years ago

    If you are neutral in situations of injustice, you have chosen the side of the oppressor. If an elephant has its foot on the tail of a mouse, and you say that you are neutral, the mouse will not appreciate your neutrality.

    Desmond Tutu

    • OgdenTO [he/him]
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      4 years ago

      Man, if it were brace writing these it would be one thing. I worry for the hate that the intern Mehmet is going to get, having an Arabic name and criticizing Israel.

    • FunnyUsername [she/her]
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      4 years ago

      Liz really showed her ass on Twitter when it comes to trans stuff, nothing explicitly transphobic but she did share some piece about how capitalism is responsible for the desire to get bottom surgery or something, then when people kept telling her to stay in her lane she kept trying to be like "no no I just thought it's interesting! It's not transphobic!"

      • zifnab25 [he/him, any]
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        4 years ago

        I've seen an anti-consumerist borderline anprim argument that amounts to "people feeling the need for cosmetic surgery are simply being manipulated for profit".

        And I'm not strictly against it, any more than I'm against the theory that - say - chest implants or lapband surgery is a product of consumer culture.

        But Natalie Wynn attacks this elegantly enough in her video about beauty (also, opulence). Just trying to deny the desire for aesthetic is blinkered and confused.

        At the same time, screaming "stay in your lane" at people who are talking about media-imduced consumerism gets nowhere. It's not good to assume everyone is a contrarian. Liz, of all people, is going to come at this in good faith.

          • jabrd [he/him]
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            4 years ago

            we would have to abolish culture

            One day comrade, one day :sicko-wistful:

          • zifnab25 [he/him, any]
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            4 years ago

            Bespoke: supporting bottom surgery AND aesthetic alterations because aesthetics are culturally driven, and we would have to abolish culture to get rid of the concept of aesthetics or beauty all together, BUT rebelling and creating alternatives to the unfair aspects of beauty and aesthetics that punch down and harm those unable to conform to them.

            There is an argument that you can't necessarily do both.

            You either normalize the aesthetic and establish a kind-of taboo about not following the herd, or you upend the rigid regressive standard of masculinity/femininity and relegate these surgeries to luxury rather than necessity.

            I think the conversation can go a bit off the rails in a country that doesn't treat fucking insulin or emergency room care as a necessity. In the end, it feels like debating the merits of raising the minimum wage versus abolishing money in a society that refuses to consider either.

            But there is a point at which you have to address whether the problem is "I feel like a woman who doesn't have a vagina" or "I won't be accepted as a woman until I have a vagina". And that's the distinction I think Liz was aiming for.

              • zifnab25 [he/him, any]
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                4 years ago

                Just abolish gender instead of aesthetics lmao

                Isn't that the same thing?

                bottom surgery is a neccesity because dysphoria fucking sucks

                I don't think you're exiting your lane by saying "Wow, we should really do something about that dysphoria we're instilling in people."

                  • zifnab25 [he/him, any]
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                    4 years ago

                    are you saying we should abolish the concept of… attraction or appearance preference?

                    I'm saying these are cultural constructs, just like gender, and normalizing an invasive surgical procedure is maybe not the best way to address the problem of appearance bias.

                    are you saying i’m transphobic because I think people should be allowed to like different appearances?

                    I'm saying there's more to addressing the problem than just manually adjusting everyone's genitals to a default uniform appearance.

                      • zifnab25 [he/him, any]
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                        4 years ago

                        I mean bias for or against an individual based on their physical appearance.

                        Just altering people to fit the normalcy bias creates its own set of problems.

                          • zifnab25 [he/him, any]
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                            4 years ago

                            well, wouldn’t abolishing all instances of that involve abolishing sexual and even romantic attraction?

                            Not unless you believe sexual/romantic attraction is predicated on a strict uniform appearance standard. Like, do you believe you can't simultaneously be attracted to a tall person and a short person because their heights are different?

                            possible even self-expression?

                            If anything, it would broaden self-expression by reducing the alienation one suffers based on one's appearance.

                            Like sure I could put on whatever I want but no one would care, including me, why bother?

                            It's the difference between change for the sake of self-discovery or self-actualization, and change for the sake of conformity.

                            I legitimately don’t get the point you’re trying to make.

                            Consider Michael Jackson. A man who subjected himself to all sorts of medical treatments in order to fix his problem of not having a uniform skin tone. The guy had so many nose enhancements that the damned thing wouldn't stay on his face. He went through a complete physical transformation in pursuit of the western ideal of white male beauty and it destroyed him.

                            Imagine if every black man was just kinda expected to go through what Michael Jackson went through in order to appear acceptable to the general public. That's not a problem solved by dumping billions of dollars into medically altering a population's skin, hair, and face. That's a problem of bigotry facilitated by consumerism.

      • Koa_lala [he/him]
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        4 years ago

        Liz really showed her ass on Twitter

        Oh boy

        when it comes to trans stuff

        :deeper-sadness:

        EDIT: Like always I'm the most original person ever.

        • FunnyUsername [she/her]
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          4 years ago

          I don't have a link fortunately, this was like a year ago, I only even remember because I unfollowed her on Twitter when it was going down

  • spez_hole [he/him,they/them]
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    4 years ago

    Do not submit to false claims of antisemitism! We must take up the burden and oppose Zionism.

  • Vncredleader
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    4 years ago

    Memes aside, bits aside, Mehmet aside, I really really love when Brace's moral indignation and unwavering compassion for his comrades shines through. I sometimes forget that this man has literally went to war for our ideals. We need to be strong and uncompromising on this matter.