If you grow up in a Jewish community, it’s propagandized hard.
I’m still trying to deprogram and I have a long way to go. I typically just stay quiet when the topic comes up in leftist spaces and try to listen and live with the internal discomfort. Kind of a turning point for me was listening to an episode of Citations Needed and hearing the comparison of Israeli imperialism with US imperialism and subjugation of the native population.
This was when I realized that the reason I loved Israel and felt like everyone should be entitled to a country where they’re the majority was because I was experiencing full blown white supremacy when I was there. As a Jew, I experience a ton of privilege being white in America, but there are always othering experiences and you don’t really know the difference until you go somewhere where those things are the default.
I still love how I felt in Israel and the concept of the country that I was taught about growing up. I understand now that I’m not entitled to experience that feeling, especially not at the expense of others, and that the country I was taught about doesn’t align with reality.
Yeah I went from being basically a non-oppressed minority to being in the majority, and it's great - people just accept me, for no reason. It feels really bizarre, and I feel like I have a different, better personality in that context. But it's not remotely worth all the people who got fucking murdered here.
I think so. I know it was definitely an earlier episode, I listen to new ones when they come out and go in order from oldest to newest when I’m listening in between.
I don’t think I would have been willing to listen to something that made me so uncomfortable at the time if it was coming from anyone else, but they had built a lot of trust with me from their other episodes.
If you grow up in a Jewish community, it’s propagandized hard.
I’m still trying to deprogram and I have a long way to go. I typically just stay quiet when the topic comes up in leftist spaces and try to listen and live with the internal discomfort. Kind of a turning point for me was listening to an episode of Citations Needed and hearing the comparison of Israeli imperialism with US imperialism and subjugation of the native population.
This was when I realized that the reason I loved Israel and felt like everyone should be entitled to a country where they’re the majority was because I was experiencing full blown white supremacy when I was there. As a Jew, I experience a ton of privilege being white in America, but there are always othering experiences and you don’t really know the difference until you go somewhere where those things are the default.
I still love how I felt in Israel and the concept of the country that I was taught about growing up. I understand now that I’m not entitled to experience that feeling, especially not at the expense of others, and that the country I was taught about doesn’t align with reality.
Yeah I went from being basically a non-oppressed minority to being in the majority, and it's great - people just accept me, for no reason. It feels really bizarre, and I feel like I have a different, better personality in that context. But it's not remotely worth all the people who got fucking murdered here.
Check this out
was it this episode?
https://citationsneeded.medium.com/episode-28-the-asymptotic-two-state-solution-part-i-e13e795ebc9d
I think so. I know it was definitely an earlier episode, I listen to new ones when they come out and go in order from oldest to newest when I’m listening in between.
I don’t think I would have been willing to listen to something that made me so uncomfortable at the time if it was coming from anyone else, but they had built a lot of trust with me from their other episodes.