I do not know why this specific fact made to the front page or whether if it has something to do with the seige on Gaza right now and American Government being totally pog with it.

  • RamrodBaguette [comrade/them, he/him]
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    8 months ago

    It for the same reason why the Holodomor is considered an anti-Ukrainian genocide in particular whereas Kazakh deaths, despite being much worse proportionally, are rarely brought up.

    There's a dividing line here and I can't qWhite make it out lea-think

      • VILenin [he/him]
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        8 months ago

        They’ve had their whiteness pass revoked for a while now

        • ProfessorOwl_PhD [any]
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          8 months ago

          Europe's never really considered eastern Europeans to be real whites. They've always been a bit too Asian for the west and north.

          • sooper_dooper_roofer [none/use name]
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            edit-2
            8 months ago

            Fun fact: the original English definition of "Europe" excluded western Russia.

            The Brits didn't even know what the Ural hills were until ~1870. When they found out about them, they jumped at the chance to make them define Europe, because they had no other geographic justification (btw these hills are not a plate boundary and do not impede movement, they are basically as nonexistent as hills can be)

            There were also multiple British geographers who wanted Britain to be its own continent separate from Europe.

            • Mardoniush [she/her]
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              8 months ago

              Fuck I never knew the Urals were so low they make the Great Dividing Range, the archetypal "barely mountains" look like the fucking Himalayas.

            • Frank [he/him, he/him]
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              8 months ago

              I'm old enough that the idea of Ukraine being considered Europe soundes utterly ridiculous.

                • Frank [he/him, he/him]
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                  8 months ago

                  I think it's a really good example of how whiteness is contextual and can be extended and withdrawn to suit the situations. Slavs being White seemed utterly preposterous to me, that's just not how racists work, but then the Ukraine war happened and the Ukrainians were immediately race-lifted. And now the Ukrainians all have proud Viking-Aryan heritage as evinced by their definitely not Nazi "ancient heritage" symbols.

    • Tankiedesantski [he/him]
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      8 months ago

      Reminds me of the very specific type of person who gets mad when people talk about Roma victims of the Holocaust.

  • logflume [they/them]
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    8 months ago

    a genocide has to start with holo- or else it’s just sparkling massacre

    • iridaniotter [she/her, they/them]
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      8 months ago

      Wikipedia with the centrist take

      https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holocaust_victims

      Both the famine in the USSR as well as Nazi extermination of Soviet citizens were genocides

      • Tankiedesantski [he/him]
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        8 months ago

        This article's factual accuracy is disputed. (October 2023)

        barbara-pit for Wikipedia editors.

        • iridaniotter [she/her, they/them]
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          8 months ago

          On the talk page it says they added it cause they can't decide if non-Jews count as Holocaust victims lmao. So I guess you guys were right.

          • panopticon [comrade/them]
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            8 months ago

            I think losurdo said the deaths of Soviet POWs may have reached 5 million so of course wikiHimmler went with the under estimate

  • Ho_Chi_Chungus [she/her]
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    8 months ago

    why was an American court making a ruling about a Nazi crime against a Soviet city?

    • sevenapples@lemmygrad.ml
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      8 months ago

      wild guess: there was a law against making fun of genocides (or similar), someone made fun of Russians dying during the siege of Leningrad, some other guy sues him because of said law. Boom, now a judge has to decide whether it was a genocide or not.

  • Alaskaball [comrade/them]
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    8 months ago

    Ukronazis love to never shut the fuck up about muh holodorkmore but never talk about Babyn Yar because their ideological and national heroes were the ones with their fingers on the trigger