I've seen a lot on people in twitter discussing wether people should do "kinks"(?) in pride because they might scar the children for life and other arguments. Also calling people like the youtuber Big Joel pedos for thinking this is not a huge deal.
What happened? Maybe this is an american thing but since when have kids been brought to pride?
Maybe I'm misunderstanding you but I've seen several posts where you are arguing that nudity in public (or near nudity) is inherently sexual, inherently harassment and inherently consent breaking, e.g. you argued against sitting nude in a park. I'm not sure how that can be true while naturists in a parade or nude political activists are fine. To me that says that clearly nudity isn't the issue but the intent behind the nudity, which is something we would both agree with... and maybe pride is different where you live, but I just don't see the dudes running around shoving their junk in people's faces tbh.
IMO if I don't care about naturalists walking around nude I don't see why I should be concerned if someone wants to wear a speedo or leather and a collar if they're minding their own business. I don't think everyone who does that is doing it in the exhibitionist sense either, it can be an expression of self. If the argument is that the involvement of people as spectators makes it morally wrong, I'd think that argument would apply to virtually any display of sexuality.
To be clear, I don't mean think kink, public nudity and queerness are synonymous. That doesn't mean that kink and queerness are mutually exclusive though, so I'm not sure a pride event ought to only represent people who act and dress "normal" and there are family friendly pride events for people who are concerned about their children or have traumas that make it difficult to see certain displays of sexuality.
Nudity is not inherently sexual, but it's asinine to pretend as if most of the time when a bunch of men are going around with their dongs out that they aren't doing it for sexual reasons, especially in a discussion of kink. "Kink should be allowed, our sexuality should not be shamed" "ok but I don't think we should display sexuality in front of people who don't want it without consent" "WTF it's not always sexual", it can't be both depending on what benefits the person wanting to walking around nude in front of others.
Again, I'm just not seeing the gangs of men running around shoving their dongs in people's faces at pride events. Maybe I'm going to the wrong ones, I don't know.
"I don’t think we should display sexuality in front of people who don’t want it without consent" is a more coherent argument IMO but it's pretty far reaching and it's not too different from arguments I've heard from my old conservative friends who, coincidentally, also used language like "normal" to describe queer people who dressed and acted modestly.
I mean I don't think so, the idea that public kink is disrespectful and violates consent is one that many members of the kink community themselves argue https://www.reddit.com/r/BDSMcommunity/comments/loguci/leashing_in_public/ https://www.reddit.com/r/BDSMcommunity/comments/79htlt/at_what_point_do_you_consider_public_displays_of/
Arguments like "There's a line, of course, where it's kind of silly. Wearing an obvious collar in public, IMO, isn't a problem. Calling someone "Sir" in public is fine. But if you get into things like public humiliation and very obvious and intense D/S dynamics, you have to remember that Joe Nobody walking down the street didn't give informed consent." That's the opinion I hold on the matter too, a few simple things ok but when you get to obvious sexual behavior there is no such thing as informed consent for the public and you are thus violating it and are acting unethically. You even see people making similar points like "Don't conflate homosexuality with a kink. It's extremely disrespectful.....two gay people exisiting in public is NOT inherently sexual and people who hold the perception are either extremely misguided, uniformed, or just plain ol homophobic."
When did I do this? You keep making this point even after I explicitly said that I don't think these things are synonymous. If you think something I said was homophobic please point to it.
And I really don't think walking down the street on any average day and going to a pride event are synonymous. That doesn't mean that anything goes in the latter but lets not pretend it's the same thing to go to the grocery store in your BDSM gear, where subjecting strangers is the thrill of it, and going to a festival where there is a more relaxed attitude towards sex and you are doing it as an act of self expression.
Sorry for the double reply, I just don't think we see eye to eye on this, or maybe I'm not fully understanding your argument. I might be a bit more defensive about this because I've heard these arguments used cynically by conservatives. I don't want you to feel like I'm just trying to pile on you or whatever so I'm going to step away from this thread. Thanks for your perspective and have a lovely day.