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These people should unironically kill themselves
Removed by modI know it’s marketing. Which is why I think they should kill themselves. Perpetuating the “AI will ruin humanity” narrative - not because of violating labor laws and committing war crimes, but because le terminator - deserves nothing but scorn and death. I WISH the evil AI was real so these people would be tormented for eternity.
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"We are on the verge of making the ultimate Torment Nexus, and to answer your question, no we will never stop trying to make one. We are very smart and should be taken seriously."
"AI" is just another scam like crypto. I can't wait until this entire industry crashes and burns
The problem is that the crypto scammers are now going to "AI". They used to steal art to make nft and now they steal it to train generative models.
But while a lot in crypto is self serving, the advances in generative AI are here to stay. A crash is the industry won't make it disappear, only slow down. There models are our there and for many uses they are already very good.
I clearly imagine my children not knowing what crypto is, but seeing generative AI as a normal aspect of life, like phones are now. If that's a good or a bad thing might be debatable.
steal art
no way those pasty nerds are burgling the louvre
steal art [...] and now they steal it
Copying is not stealing.
for many uses they are already very good
Assuming you're talking about LLMs, which use cases, seriously ? outside of creative writing for games and the like (for which I could see them being useful) and spam generation, given what they produce is basically credible-sounding text with no guaranteed relation to the truth, which use cases ? even those developers assisting tools are pretty shit (not to mention leaking info on you and what you develop).
LLMs do great if you don't consider them to be always right. Review the result same as if it was a random post on the internet (which also tend to alucinante).
About info leaking, there are very robust models that run on high end computers, and the requirements are lowering fast.
Image generation is also very good, but I don't have much experience with it.
LLMs can even assist with coding (again, consider anything it spits as the work of a junior and review).
As with crypto, the problem lot of people see is how much it has been misused, both for incomplece and malice. But the tech itself is improving fast.
LLMs do great if you don't consider them to be always right. Review the result same as if it was a random post
That was my point: IMO this makes them useless for almost the entirety of use cases.
LLMs can even assist with coding
I covered that as well.
And yes, llama for example runs on off-the-shelf consumer computers. Almost nobody except online geeks use LLMs like this - certainly not most corporations. They all send critical data to third parties online instead.
Image generation I can see a lot more use cases. LLMs, again, I can see a few paltry ones but nowhere near what the hype is currently pretending will be viable.
I see your point, but it's a bit short sighted to think "it's not perfect now, therefore useless". Even when it's consistently giving better answers than a human, it still still make mistakes.
3 years ago we wouldn't have this conversation, it would sound like science fiction.
BTW, I am not saying the hype for current stuff is correct, just that in the future we will keep this tech, unlike some other failed ones.
Even when it's consistently giving better answers than a human, it still still make mistakes.
it's not giving consistently better answers than a human it gives answers consistently on the level of a 12 year old writing a report and rewording the wikipedia article
yea its like a 12 year old with infinite google time. like yea, sometimes it will spit out the right answer, but it doesn't know enough to know why that answer is right or how to check it.
It is highly doubtful we will keep this tech or ever use it at-scale for anything actually useful. The most I've seen it for is rapid photo touch-ups in graphic design, but tech for that has existed for years.
What it could possibly be used for effectively is bias studies, but because everyone is obsessed with it replicating 'truth', something that even basic human language and culture is ill-equipped for, it will never actually work as intended. We will waste billions of dollar on it when we could be using that money to create detailed and specific statistical models for events that actually reflect those events as close as we can scientifically.
As with crypto
Internet funny money is forever a solution looking for a problem while having a staggering energy cost and producing a staggering amount of carbon pollution because of the inherent requirements of the blockchain itself to redundantly multiply the computation work compared to conventional currency transmitted electronically.
Speak for yourself, my family and I have adopted Monopoly money as our primary currency. It has actually drastically reduced our cost of living! It seems that others are so in awe of this new mode of trade that they aren’t prepared to give us anything in return yet. We are slowly starving to death but we will 100% be resurrected by the AI god emperor overlords who will personally serve me and vanquish my enemies in a day of reckoning. No this isn’t a cult.
Internet funny money is forever a solution looking for a problem
The problem is just "we don't have enough of your money," same as the problem that most "disruptive" innovations set out to solve.
Copying is not stealing.
“Stealing” in this case means profiting off of another person’s art (labor) without their consent or permission.
could threaten humanity
This shit's marketing hype, isn't it? It's like saying "this bazingamobile is so epic that it could be a threat to the police because it's bulletproof and can briefly float like a boat during getaway chases!"
Strong ”Saddam is trying to build a supercomputer out of PS2s” energy.
This shit's marketing hype, isn't it
It's both marketing hype and terminal singularity-brain from their techbro employees IMO.
Reminder we're talking about a company where the chief scientist regularly burns effigies and has the employees ritualistically chant "Feel the AGI ! Feel the AGI !" so, yeah.
yeah you get true believers amongst them
big "their gods are the works of their own hands" energy
Also, it encourages over regulation to make it harder for small companies to enter the market. Facebook does the same thing
over regulation
Regulatory capture is a cynical corporate tactic, but going full unregulated bazinga for the sake of innovation is just another drive and pull from other techbros too.
yes but crucially they are avoiding regulation where it would actually be good, like about misrepresenting what the AI is, preventing it being used to create porn of unwilling people, protection of people's data, assurance to artists etc
they want regulation for problems that don't exist
preventing it being used to create porn of unwilling people,
Cat's out of the bag on that one. It's illegal to share in a lot of places, but the models to do it are free, small and can be run on a personal computer.
I don’t know, their death cult leader might actually believe it. My personal guess is that they tied ChatGPT and TTS to a digital head and they think it’s conscious because it said “yes” when asked
The only way AI is ever going to threaten humanity is via how much compute it needs to train or run models and how utterly wasteful data scientists are when it comes to solving very simple statistical problems with stupid amounts of cpu time.
Funny thing is I've seen an excel spreadsheet beat the predictive output of what some data "scientists" have done yet the data "science" managed to burn a few hundred hours of cpu time doing it. Muh regression models need 50 gpus to run
It’s a part of the techbro death cult.
And anyone who thinks “AI” is even remotely sentient needs to be sent back to repeat K-12.
meh. its marketing bs. the real threat is
i regularly use chatgpt for whatever weird things my brain cooks up. its a great tool for coding provided you get it well explained prompts, makes code that would take a week for my dumbass to cook up in like 2-3 days. but at the end of the day its not a sentient AI, just a LLM.
It has more utility than a billion shitcoins that were created in 2021 but its not going to replace every job.
there's probably a more efficient way to make slightly formalized english into a high-level language and just compiling from it instead of doing all the... wait i'm describing COBOL
I know it’s marketing. Which is why I think they should kill themselves. Perpetuating the “AI will ruin humanity” narrative - not because of violating labor laws and committing war crimes, but because le terminator - deserves nothing but scorn and death. I WISH the evil AI was real so these people would be tormented for eternity.
My policy of shoving anyone who talks too seriously about AI into a locker continues to be vindicated by history
Are you scared of Roko's basilisk? Right in the locker. Alignment problem keeping you up at night? Enjoy the locker. Writing editorials about how your cleverbot clone is sentient? Step right this way, the locker awaits.
Torment Nexus fantasists wail and scream about the imminent Torment Nexus while furiously jerking off to the concept and desperately want it to happen
also the whole thing assumes cause and effect is backwards
I found a YouTube link in your comment. Here are links to the same video on alternative frontends that protect your privacy:
the death machine wasn't to blame until we assigned it consciousness
there is no death machine they have massively overhyped it even to themselves and have no idea what's happening
There is no consciousness, the death machine is alive and well
Erm...guys...I gulp don't think the avengers will be able to handle this one!
The guy who got ousted did something really despicable in his past. CW if you wanna know. He’s a monster.
spoiler
He raped his four-year-old sister as a teenager.
Jesus Christ. His fan boys are absolutely ripping her apart
Arguing with AI is edge lords is pointless, but would it really be that hard to imagine someone drawn towards a career that exhibits sociopathic tendencies having a history of sociopathy?
Attacking a real person in defense of an "AI" fake person is some next level bazinga bullshit. Wall for every one of those motherfuckers.
I can't imagine being dumb enough to think that the plot of I, Robot is more of a real-world issue than sexual abuse.
It becomes easier with "DAE HUMANS ARE JUST MEAT COMPUTERS" reductionistic comparisons. It makes LLM treat printers seem that much closer to ascended godlike waifu helpmeets for the computer touchers craving them.
Bro why does every time this comes up you say humans are above the material we're made of. I don't think it's as reductive as "we're meat computers" but I don't think it's entirely wrong; they're just predictive models but something else might be able to be considered AGI. I'm not bazingabrained but there's no physical law saying AGI is impossible one day
why does every time this comes up you say humans are above the material we're made of
Humans are the material they're made of, but that material is not in the form of a contemporary binary computer ("meat" or otherwise) nor are their behaviors or thoughts fully reducible to LLM functions, outside of marketing hype in favor of LLMs anyway or singularity occult beliefs about how the great nerd rapture is right around the corner and that it will start with a chatbot.
https://futurism.com/openai-employees-say-firms-chief-scientist-has-been-making-strange-spiritual-claims
Arguing with you is exhausting but that's my position stated, again. It's possible (and probably a good idea) to stop going to bat for tech companies just because of your personal contempt for religious people.
but there's no physical law saying AGI is impossible one day
I didn't say that. I said that LLMs are not it and aren't even really reaching in that direction. They're specialized tools that are hyped into something more than that by, well, tools.
The sister said that X and other social media sites were intentionally suppressing her posts about it when she first came out with the allegations. I believe her and, surprisingly, some of the epic bazinga tech bro subreddits do too (???).
I was more talking about the lack of news coverage but that too
title might be jarring to anyone browsing who is suicidal, maybe tweak it to not mention suicide?
The rhetoric in that sub reminds me of /r/politics during the mueller era or /r/wallstreetbets when GameStop stock got hot
“The walls are closing in!”
“HOLD it can only go up from here”
“AGI is imminent”
Also reminds me of Star Citizen big spending true believers, that are now over half a billion dollars and over ten years invested in.
haha do you [let a powerful ai threaten humanity] just turn the computer off comrade haha
we must bomb taiwan's semiconductor factories to prevent the singularity
