I don't even understand the conflict. I know people are fighting but who and why?

Edit: Thanks for the links everyone, and I'm sorry I asked.

  • Enver_Hoxha [she/her]
    8·
    4 years ago

    Lukashenko is sa dictator the recent elections were obviously rigged and people dont want him in power

    • LangdonAlger [any]
      2·
      4 years ago

      I'm assuming US intelligence doesn't like lukashenko, so some on the left are very wary of an astroturfing of an actual people's movement, especially on reddit

      Edit: probably should have responded to op

      • HarryLime [any]
        1·
        4 years ago

        Lukashenko is a nationalist dictator, but he rose to power because he was the only deputy to the Belarussian parliament who voted against dissolving the Soviet Union, and opposed privatization and neoliberalism in the 90s. While in power, he's revived and preserved a lot of Soviet institutions, and undertaken some impressive poverty reduction initiatives.

        This doesn't mean he isn't shitty in other ways, of course- he's a massive homophobe and misogynist. He's denied the deadliness of Corona and said that tractors and vodka would help cure it. He's unpopular now because he massively fucked that up.

    • eylligator [undecided,any]
      1·
      4 years ago

      Okay, i guess that other post about the reddit belarus ama confused me

      • Enver_Hoxha [she/her]
        13·
        4 years ago

        Some idiots refuse to look at states like china or recently Lebanon and Belarus critically because theyre supposed to support them against western imperialism but the reason their governments get overthrwon is because theyre fucking bad. And it just makes it worse when the poeple in power like Lukashenko is so power hungry they just cant let people even have elections leading to these situations where imperialists get a change to worm in and at the worst case you can look at happened to ussr

        • HarryLime [any]
          2·
          4 years ago

          It's not that simple. Here's a private CIA contractor gleefully discussing the possibility of Belarus joining NATO and encircling Russia. This is extremely dangerous and makes the breakout of a war with Russia more likely.

            • HarryLime [any]
              ·
              4 years ago

              Lukashenko is shitty in a number of ways, but he came to power because he opposed privatization and neoliberalism. He's conducted successful anti-poverty measures that reduced poverty from nearly fifty percent to less than six percent. Belarus weathered the post-Soviet collapse better than the other ex-USSR states because of him.

              • Enver_Hoxha [she/her]
                7·
                4 years ago

                Cool why does he have to rig elections to keep himself in power and beat protesters

                • HarryLime [any]
                  1·
                  4 years ago

                  Because he fucked up covid. And there's a ton of corruption in Belarus that he presides over, as there is in every post-soviet country. This shit is complicated, and your snooty takes aren't really enlightening anything.

                  • Enver_Hoxha [she/her]
                    10·
                    4 years ago

                    Keep jerking of dictators its going to only make me more leftcom

                    • HarryLime [any]
                      1·
                      4 years ago

                      I called him a misogynistic homophobe who stupidly said that tractors and vodka could cure covid.

                        • HarryLime [any]
                          1·
                          4 years ago

                          I said I don't want Belarus to turn into another NATO outpost because it could spark world war three.

                                • HarryLime [any]
                                  1·
                                  4 years ago

                                  If you're interested in what actual Belarussian communists have to say about the situation and not just being a huge asshole, use google translate on this post.

                                • Biggay [he/him, comrade/them]
                                  1·
                                  4 years ago

                                  Lol honestly fuck you. Anticommunist social democracy does it again! Just go ahead and fucking ban me. As the “anti-tankie” “left” slowly but surely gives into the anti-Russia war propaganda on the grounds that “well really, Putin, Assad, Juche, Iran, Cuba, America, the Soviet Union are all equally bad...” and devolves into liberal both-sidesism, I hope you remember that you’re responsible for helping axe a principled commitment to anti-US imperialism. I was never being ironic, fuck you and fuck this sub. You idiots have made me like Stalin more (who I literally think is bad) because I realize now he was essentially right about social fascism.

        • gayhobbes [he/him]
          4·
          4 years ago

          This is a bad take, especially because you can oppose the actions of a government without saying that, hey, a CIA-backed coup is preferable in place of that. Because that's what we're saying with Belarus right now.

        • kaka [he/him,they/them]
          1·
          4 years ago

          I mean even if a government is good, rigging the election or not accepting getting voted out should probably not get you support, right?

          • Enver_Hoxha [she/her]
            2·
            4 years ago

            Yeah but what makes shit so fucked is when you look at the 3rd world movements (Indonesia, middle east, african and south american states) which got fucked by torture and genocide i can see why some people see it hard to give any kind of credit to populist movements tryung to change their governments

        • emizeko [they/them]
          5·
          4 years ago

          the reason their governments get overthrwon is because theyre fucking bad

          lol you're amazing

      • emizeko [they/them]
        8·
        4 years ago

        or maybe it's a bad anarchist take that somehow aligns with CIA goals