From my understanding there appears to be some merit in the possibility that the Wuhan lab was studying a natural covid virus in bats and it leapt from a bat to another animal then to a researcher at the lab. Is this the correct understanding ?
e: Ok I understand, it’s just a theory with nothing supporting it. I don’t read the MSM but most everyone (even leftists) seemed to give some credence to this theory.
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leftists stop giving credence to literal radio free asia propaganda challenge
You can use search function :ohnoes: i think we were having same discussion three times already :ohnoes:
Welcome to r/communism, where nobody knows there's a search function and everyone asks the same propaganda-induced question.
There is no evidence, it's just assumed the Chinese are lying and incompetent.
Addressed here:
But maybe this gain-of-function research did not try to replicate the virus in a petri dish but, instead, used live animals to multiply and mutate the virus—using one sick animal to infect the next, and the next, and the next, until an evolved and efficient virus came out the other end.
Following the theory down this path gets increasingly fantastical. “How complicated can this get?” Goldstein said. It would be significantly more expensive, labor-intensive, and difficult to hide. The lab would need to run a veritable petting zoo of different animals to perfect this kind of zoonotic transmission. And it still doesn’t account for the decades of necessary evolution.
When COVID-19 was first detected in December 2019, the Chinese government responded in its usual fashion: with repression and secrecy.
When even your opinion pieces exonerating China are racist 🙄
I just finished reading this article and it did a good job of compiling and addressing the best evidence that's been presented for the lab leak, namely the Wade and Baker articles, but I'm not convinced that this Goldstein guy is offering a solid rebuttal.
It would be significantly more expensive, labor-intensive, and difficult to hide. The lab would need to run a veritable petting zoo of different animals to perfect this kind of zoonotic transmission.
But...the Wuhan lab does have animals though. Nobody is hiding them. They have "humanized mice", which have specially engineered epithelial tissue to model people. I'm also sure American labs like Ft. Detrick also have the best research animals that money can buy at their disposal. They used to kill monkeys by the dozens during the development of the Korean War bioweapons.
And why does he say that the lab would need to have perfected zoonotic transmission? SARS2 was, from the beginning, perfectly adapted to infect people. You only need one animal model for that, not a "petting zoo" of different animals.
This Goldstein guy seems to be operating under the assumption that a long zoonotic pathway for SARS2 has already been identified and confirmed (as it has been for SARS) and that any lab leak theory would need to account for such a pathway, but that's just not the case here. It's less complicated that he is making it out to be.
Lmao why are you not banned for constantly fed posting? First the national guard post and your dozens of liberal takes. And now, "from my understanding there appears to be a merit" where is the proof that you're talking about?
As long as they're summarily shut down, which seems to be the case pretty consistently, I don't think it's a big deal.
Here is the latest evidence supporting the lab leak theory:
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https://healthfeedback.org/what-is-known-about-the-claims-that-the-wuhan-institute-of-virology-conducted-research-to-bioengineer-bat-coronaviruses/
The closest known relative to SARS-CoV-2 is yet another bat coronavirus, called RaTG13, which was discovered after miners in the Yunnan Province of China developed pneumonia[6]. The group of researchers at the Wuhan Institute of Virology collected and sequenced RaTG13. The genetic sequence of SARS-CoV-2 is 96% similar to that of RaTG13[6]. As a Health Feedback review from March 2021 pointed out, this genetic gap between RaTG13 and SARS-CoV-2 is too wide to be bridged by engineering.
In the same review, Robert Garry, a professor of microbiology at the University of Tulane, concurred: “While 96% sounds close, in evolutionary terms, it is quite distant, and it would take decades of evolution for the genome of RaTG13 to resemble that of SARS-CoV-2. The difference is about 1,200 bases or 400 amino acids. Gain-of-function research cannot close that gap.” He added, “This would require a virus much closer than RaTG13, at least 99% similar or more likely 99.9% similar.”
First they say the gap is too wide to be bridged by engineering then that is is too wide to be bridged by evolution?
The key word here is theory. There’s been no evidence proving there was a leak. It’s all speculation. Every anti China dipshit online thinks that just because MSM is writing stories on the lab leak theory it proves that it happened.
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Considering the virus was in Spain in October of 2019 I'm more worried about stupid western whities being all "oh I put a chicken in a turkey in a pig in a cow all factory farmed and stuffed with antibiotics then microwaved and ate that" then sharing heroin needles and coughing and sneezing on each other
sorry to be this guy but,
Do you have a source on that?
Source?
A source. I need a source.
Sorry, I mean I need a source that explicitly states your argument. This is just tangential to the discussion.
No, you can't make inferences and observations from the sources you've gathered. Any additional comments from you MUST be a subset of the information from the sources you've gathered.
You can't make normative statements from empirical evidence.
Not the person you asked but they found it in wastewater samples in Barcelona from 2019. They also believe it may have been in Italy as early as September 2019.
