yeah, i apply dialectical materialism to my video games 8)

  • OperationOgre [he/him, they/them]
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    3 years ago

    Closing the game when you can't figure out how to install any of the 69 mods needed to run the game with only a few bugs

  • REallyN [she/her,they/them]
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    3 years ago

    Daddy House will fix everything, and if he doesn't I still get to live the good life in the Lucky 38. :big-cool:

    • axont [she/her, comrade/them]
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      3 years ago

      I'm cynical about this and actually do believe House is the best ending for the Courier, just perhaps not the best option for the rest of Vegas. Siding with the NCR just gives you a medal or something, Legion puts your face on a coin, Yes Man means you're going to spend the rest of your life as administrator/protector of this city with bickering interests and under constant looming threat of NCR and Legion coming back.

      Side with House and you get a penthouse, enough money to do whatever you want, and you'll probably just have to do odd-job wetwork or negotiation from time to time. You're set for life.

  • budoguytenkaichi [he/him,they/them]
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    3 years ago

    NCR ending.

    I know the tendency here is to go for the "Independent New Vegas" one, but imo the NCR is the best hope for humanity (In the former U.S. at least) regrouping, working together and actually recovering as a species rather than just surviving in isolated, spaced-out enclaves.

    Edit: Good arguments, but I'm stickin' to my guns. 2 headed bear flag for life baybee!

    • Llituro [he/him, they/them]
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      3 years ago

      nah, the ncr somehow managed to immediately reconstruct the contradictions of capital in the ashes of civilization. in fallout, the game about the literal nuclear fallout from 50's era political optimism taken to its nihilistic liberal ends, it should be no surprise that the only potential non-reactionary force is yourself.

      • axont [she/her, comrade/them]
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        3 years ago

        It should also say something that the NCR is having so much trouble maintaining its expansion that a bunch of cosplay dorks with hockey pads and spears has somehow managed to stalemate their military, despite wielding energy weapons, power armor, and piloting aircraft

        It should be a complete blowout of the Legion, but it isn't. NCR is already starting to shake apart from their internal class contradictions paralyzing the state apparatus.

    • axont [she/her, comrade/them]
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      3 years ago

      The NCR was immediately imperialist upon its foundation and by 2281, despite their profession only existing for about 12 years, the brahmin and agri-barons have almost fully seized the NCR state. President Kimball himself overturned any regulations on the barons, letting them do as they please.

      I suspect there was some intention to have the NCR and the Legion directly parallel one another more clearly, but that seems to have gotten muddled, possibly due to time constraints not fully fleshing out the Legion. An example I constantly think about is the NCR essentially created the Powder Gangers through forced labor. Powder Gangers were formerly prisoners conscripted to maintain the monorail. The NCR's expansion into the Mojave meant stretching their manpower thin to protect against Legion raids, so their prison was seized by the prisoners, who then would go on to raid and pillage settlements same as any band of legionaries would.

      The NCR and the Legion represent the same thing done in different ways. They're both rebuilding the contradictions of the old world, although the NCR decided to do it quickly, already becoming a capitalist-captured neoliberal empire within 80 years of its formation, while the Legion is doing it slowly, starting over all the way back as an ancient, slave labor based absolute monarchy.

      If you really want me to get into it, I'm relatively convinced the Legion eventually gains the upper hand over the NCR.

      • Ho_Chi_Chungus [she/her]
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        3 years ago

        If you really want me to get into it, I’m relatively convinced the Legion eventually gains the upper hand over the NCR.

        Explain how. I'm not convinced that the outnumbered LARPers with sharp sticks are going to overcome a massive, standardized army with most of the capabilities of a 1940s era military. I can't really imagine the Legion standing as even a rump state more than 5 years after the death of Edward Sallow, regardless of who calls themself Caesar II

        • axont [she/her, comrade/them]
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          3 years ago

          If any of the NCR's technological and military superiority mattered they wouldn't be worried about the Legion seizing Hoover Dam, they wouldn't be asking every favor possible of a single mail carrier and they wouldn't ever have to rely upon heavily guarded brahmin caravans to supply their frontier.

          NCR isn't operating on a model of development. They've already hit the imperialist stage of contradiction where profit is the primary incentive. The NCR's problem isn't using their superior military and laser guns to kill a bunch of desert fascists speaking bullshit Latin. Their problem is creeping stagnation and lack of infrastructure.

          Legion has been developing territories they conquer, based on stuff Lanius and that one Arizona trader says. You can talk Lanius out of pushing westward because the Mojave isn't fully self-sufficient yet, for example.

          So, based on all that, I see NCR crumbling due to its internal contradictions. Legion moves in west. Traders prefer Legion due to safety of the roads and low taxation. Barons open trade with the east, then it doesn't matter if it's Caesar himself or not.

    • Mardoniush [she/her]
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      3 years ago

      Collapsing the NCR via the Independent ending and allowing the comrades in Chinatown that survived the wreck of the "Shih-huang-ti" to launch a revolution is the only reasonable response.

  • Lucas [he/him]
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    3 years ago

    Independent and headcanon violently takes the wheel.

  • Gosplan14 [any]
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    3 years ago

    Caesar doesn't understand Dialectics, and has a vision of a fascistic and traditionalistic society clinging to faux-roman ideals anyway,, so he's out. He's probably the most interesting character in New Vegas though.

    Legate Lanius has all the weaknesses of Caesar, and even more of the barbarism.

    Mr. House has that wonderful Odo voice, but is basically a retrofuturistic Elon Musk thinking he's a genius and that if line will go up and if he will send stuff to space, humanity will be uplifted. He doesn't care about anything but profit and will keep the poors out of his "benevolent autocracy", but it's fine because the NCR will keep sending tourists. No wonder Reddit loves him.

    The independent ending really depends on the actions of the courier, so that can range from pretty good to bad.

    The NCR. It is a force of capitalism, basically the old America reborn. Ranchers and trade corporations like the Crimson Caravan have enormous political might, political assassinations are commonplace, environmental destruction is widespread (Chief Hanlon in New Vegas mentions all not-saltwater lakes being drained etc.) to the point that collapse is likely (according to Thomas Hildern, at least), poverty is such that immigration to the frontier is common, political dynasties are implied to be influential. While a progressive force in hismat compared to the previous tribal or semi-disorganized societies, the NCR still needs to be overthrown by a dictatorship of the proletariat.

    When it comes to what is the best ending imo, the NCR is better than the legion and arguably Mr. House, but worse than a good karma and pro-Followers of the Apocalypse aligned-indipendent run

    • RION [she/her]
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      3 years ago

      Yup. Sierra Madre vending machine tech eliminates scarcity. Securitron army fends off imperialists and raiders. Big MT supplies any other technological need. Could probably press the communism button in just a few years.

  • Judge_Juche [she/her]
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    3 years ago

    If your a real gamer you would have found the Xi Jingping ending.

  • MathVelazquez [he/him]
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    3 years ago

    When you get the achievement for cannibalizing all four of the major leaders. Idk who that leaves you with, yes man I guess?

  • ssjmarx [he/him]
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    3 years ago

    stab ceasar, shoot the president, boom the boomers, encourage cooperative farming and leave New Vegas in the hands of a helpful AI (whether he wants to be or not) instead of the mob or the capitalists.