• Dr_Gabriel_Aby [none/use name]
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        7 months ago

        I’m not sure if your unaware but Russia has annexed almost 5 Ukrainian States and is still advancing at all parts of the line, had the Minsk II ACCORDS been followed hundreds of thousands of people would still be alive and Ukraine would likely be better off.

        If you are happy Russians are dying, you should understand that the continuation of this war is killing Ukrainians at about 2 times the rate.

        The only thing you are actually rooting for is the increased wealth of the Military Industrial Complex within the Western imperial core, or Russia for the increased likelihood of gaining Odessa by wars end. Your bloodlust does nothing for anyone.

        • 0xD@infosec.pub
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          7 months ago

          I'm not happy that anyone is dying. In fact, I've got quite a large problem with that.

          That's why I'm all for Russia getting out of Ukraine and ending this war. If Russians are on Ukrainian land with weapons trying to kill Ukrainians... Well, there's no other option.

          I find it funny how you're talking about "Western imperialism" while regurgitating the lies of a country that's literally invading another. I find the brain gymnastics of the people here morbidly fascinating.

          • Dr_Gabriel_Aby [none/use name]
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            7 months ago

            A brave point for you to make. Now do US in Syria, France in West Africa, Saudi and UAE in Yemen, Israel in Gaza. 4 conflicts where western led wars could actually be minimized by western civilians pushing for ceasefires or pullouts of foreign troops. People like you don’t care about these conflicts that America or its allies are continuing, you only care about conflicts where the “answer” to solving it is killing more people. It’s not about peace for you, it’s about defeating Putin or whatever good vs evil narrative you have.

          • zed_proclaimer [he/him]
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            7 months ago

            If you actually cared about stopping violence you would be protesting the wars your own government does, as you have some amount of influence over that. You shouldn't be regurgitating propaganda about the "enemy" nations. That is warmongering. That only leads to war, even if you think you're doing it for peace, all you are effectively doing is boosting your own nations war. Nothing you can do about Russia or China's decisions as a citizen of the west, so remove the beam from thine own eye.

          • oktherebuddy
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            7 months ago

            If you think this war has anything to do with protecting gay people you are an unbelievably dense fucking moron

            • GarbageShoot [he/him]
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              7 months ago

              Imagine thinking Ukrainr, the country that banned opposition parties and Russian-language media of all kinds (not just from Russia itself) while having never stood for queer rights nor the rights of ethnic minorities is less dictatorial.

              I hope you grow out of using minorities as a prop, running dog

              • oktherebuddy
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                7 months ago

                Let me illustrate the dynamic to you so you can step outside your own personally constructed logic labyrinth:

                1. The US views some country as an enemy for whatever reason, so attacks it either directly or through proxy or sanctions
                2. The US ruling class cares about the perception of their legitimacy, so they have to sell this action to most segments of US society
                3. The messaging targeted at liberals focuses on things liberals care about that the targeted country is bad at, like gay rights
                4. The targeted country takes this messaging and uses it domestically to sell additional crackdowns on gay rights as anti-imperialism
                5. This crackdown is used to justify further action against the country by credulous liberals like yourself
                6. The only people who get screwed are the gays, being faced with the twin joys of a domestic crackdown and US bombs/sanctions/whatever

                At no point in the liberal mind is it considered that the US ruling class does not give one single tiny shit about the rights of gay people in targeted country, or even proxy country. It is purely and entirely bait to get them to support bombing things. One doesn't have to go too far back in history, if at all, in the US to find actions against gay people that, if they'd taken place in the targeted country, would be used to justify liberal support for bombing the place.

                  • oktherebuddy
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                    7 months ago

                    Women are well known to enjoy being bombed, that's why we do it

          • Dr_Gabriel_Aby [none/use name]
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            7 months ago

            So dishonest to what the options are and what the laws in Ukraine have been before the war. At wars end, the far right elements of the Ukrainian rump state will be fully armed to do as they please to LGBTQ community you now claim this war is protecting.

              • DoiDoi [comrade/them, he/him]
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                7 months ago

                Just within your own framework of "west good, authoritarianism bad" how do you reconcile the fact that the US has the world's largest prison population and the highest rate of incarceration of any major country (by a completely absurd margin too)? Is that not authoritarian? Or is that word essentially meaningless and more of a vibes based accusation for thought terminating purposes? You don't actually need to answer this as you are not the first lib we've ever spoken to, but if you want to try by all means go ahead and make a funny comment for us.

                it's literally a war of "do I continue living in a growing, modernizing democracy with western ties or a backsliding authoritarian dictatorship that's constantly trying to relive the Soviet glory days"

                lol

              • NotErisma
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                7 months ago

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              • yuritopia [any]
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                7 months ago

                Lmao, history started in 2022 for you, didn’t it.

              • BurgerPunk [he/him, comrade/them]
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                7 months ago

                Slippery Slope and a strawman!

                You appealed to the one true Scotsman, you mott and bailey-ed, you triple stawmanned. Checkmate tankie smuglord

          • ShimmeringKoi [comrade/them]
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            7 months ago

            far more human rights abusing nation

            Open Nazi worship, the massacre of labor union organizers, elections cancelled, all opposition parties banned, Russian language banned, conscription squads snatching men and women off the streets, ten years of fascist slaughter along ethnic lines in the Donbas...yeah you libs really picked the right horse to back on this one. Don't you have another SS veteran to go praise?

          • ThereRisesARedStar [she/her, they/them]
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            7 months ago

            For some Ukrainians, such as those in the LGBTQ community it's literally a choice of risk dying as your country defends it's existence, or risk dying in a Russian prison

            Fuck off you pinkwashing asshole.