• principalkohoutek [none/use name]
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    7 months ago

    Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired signifies, in the final sense, a theft from those who hunger and are not fed, those who are cold and are not clothed. This world in arms is not spending money alone. It is spending the sweat of its laborers, the genius of its scientists, the hopes of its children. The cost of one modern heavy bomber is this: a modern brick school in more than 30 cities. It is two electric power plants, each serving a town of 60,000 population. It is two fine, fully equipped hospitals. It is some fifty miles of concrete pavement. We pay for a single fighter with a half-million bushels of wheat. We pay for a single destroyer with new homes that could have housed more than 8,000 people. . . . This is not a way of life at all, in any true sense. Under the cloud of threatening war, it is humanity hanging from a cross of iron.[1][5

      • huf [he/him]
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        7 months ago

        he had no choice, someone wanted something better for the world. he had to take a principled stand against good things.

    • Ho_Chi_Chungus [she/her]
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      7 months ago

      A brilliant, beautiful quote, from our dear comrade... checks notes FUCKING DWIGHT EISENHOWER?????

  • SUPAVILLAIN@lemmygrad.ml
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    7 months ago

    I can't wait til people start bombing Amerika. If the Iron Dome folded because of a couple Palestinian rockets, I have no reason to believe Amerika's missile defense is all that.

    • Ho_Chi_Chungus [she/her]
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      7 months ago

      drops one bomb on texas

      every house in the state built after 1965 falls over like a house of cards

    • Tankiedesantski [he/him]
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      7 months ago

      It is my firm belief that Americans will not stop bloodthirsty warmongers unless they are forced to experience war on their own soil.

      • SUPAVILLAIN@lemmygrad.ml
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        7 months ago

        God I wish. I want to smugly smirk at the liberal settler fuckheels that get drafted to fight it on some

        Show
        energy

    • Outdoor_Catgirl [she/her, they/them]
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      7 months ago

      Amerikkka doesn't have a national anti missile system. There's never been anyone shooting missiles at amerikkkka, so why bother? On the other hand, zionists are actively facing resistance. They need iron dome to not get blown to hell by rockets. Also, the world is getting nuked at the point when people start bombing continental us. The amerikkkan empire would rather end the world than have a world exist without them.

  • usernamesaredifficul [he/him]
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    7 months ago

    do americans just not understand that bombs kill people and the people they hurt are real

    also for a government the sums listed are just petty cash

      • git [he/him, comrade/them]
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        7 months ago

        Do the undetonated cluster munitions buried underground do a quick check to see if it’s a Ukrainian or Russian child they’re about to blow up?

        • 0xD@infosec.pub
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          7 months ago

          Nope, they don't. It's war though - if you're really against that, you should advocate for all the Russian soldiers to fuck off back home and put the war to an immediate end. :)

            • 0xD@infosec.pub
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              7 months ago

              Funnily enough, that's what the Russians are getting themselves into in Ukraine! Unfortunately, they're taking Ukrainians with them as well. (Just to preempt your answer about both sides or something)

              You got any more of these funny pictures? Seems like the only thing you have the cognitive ability to understand.

          • zed_proclaimer [he/him]
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            7 months ago

            why don't you advocate for the maidan pusch to dissolve itself as that's about 10 times more likely to happen than Russia just giving up randomly when it's winning

            • 0xD@infosec.pub
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              7 months ago

              Maidan?

              In your head people don't have their free will, right? Everyone is just a puppet of the US government. Are you sure you aren't one?

              • zed_proclaimer [he/him]
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                7 months ago

                Maidan was a fascist coup paid for by NED and CIA funds, supported by Nazi snipers armed with NATO weaponry. Victoria Nuland, undersecretary of state at the time, hand selected the next president (Poroshenko). Both her and McCaine and tons of other spooks and feds were present in Ukraine before, during and immediately after the Maidan. The Nazis burned leftists and union members alive in union halls, crucified pregnant women and sniped any loyalist military forces.

                Then the Azov and other fascist thugs who just murdered and committed SA on a massive scale were then integrated into the military and state and given blank checks to terrorize minority populations for 8 years. The went on "sniping safaris" to kill ethnic Russians and the people of Donbas. 14,000 people they killed in their fascist rampages, dropping banned munitions on civilian population centers repeatedly. Good riddance to them and thank god they have been de-nazified. The only shame is that Putin took 8 years to get around to crushing these fucks

          • Dr_Gabriel_Aby [none/use name]
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            7 months ago

            I’m not sure if your unaware but Russia has annexed almost 5 Ukrainian States and is still advancing at all parts of the line, had the Minsk II ACCORDS been followed hundreds of thousands of people would still be alive and Ukraine would likely be better off.

            If you are happy Russians are dying, you should understand that the continuation of this war is killing Ukrainians at about 2 times the rate.

            The only thing you are actually rooting for is the increased wealth of the Military Industrial Complex within the Western imperial core, or Russia for the increased likelihood of gaining Odessa by wars end. Your bloodlust does nothing for anyone.

            • 0xD@infosec.pub
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              7 months ago

              I'm not happy that anyone is dying. In fact, I've got quite a large problem with that.

              That's why I'm all for Russia getting out of Ukraine and ending this war. If Russians are on Ukrainian land with weapons trying to kill Ukrainians... Well, there's no other option.

              I find it funny how you're talking about "Western imperialism" while regurgitating the lies of a country that's literally invading another. I find the brain gymnastics of the people here morbidly fascinating.

              • Dr_Gabriel_Aby [none/use name]
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                7 months ago

                A brave point for you to make. Now do US in Syria, France in West Africa, Saudi and UAE in Yemen, Israel in Gaza. 4 conflicts where western led wars could actually be minimized by western civilians pushing for ceasefires or pullouts of foreign troops. People like you don’t care about these conflicts that America or its allies are continuing, you only care about conflicts where the “answer” to solving it is killing more people. It’s not about peace for you, it’s about defeating Putin or whatever good vs evil narrative you have.

              • zed_proclaimer [he/him]
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                7 months ago

                If you actually cared about stopping violence you would be protesting the wars your own government does, as you have some amount of influence over that. You shouldn't be regurgitating propaganda about the "enemy" nations. That is warmongering. That only leads to war, even if you think you're doing it for peace, all you are effectively doing is boosting your own nations war. Nothing you can do about Russia or China's decisions as a citizen of the west, so remove the beam from thine own eye.

              • oktherebuddy
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                7 months ago

                If you think this war has anything to do with protecting gay people you are an unbelievably dense fucking moron

                • GarbageShoot [he/him]
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                  7 months ago

                  Imagine thinking Ukrainr, the country that banned opposition parties and Russian-language media of all kinds (not just from Russia itself) while having never stood for queer rights nor the rights of ethnic minorities is less dictatorial.

                  I hope you grow out of using minorities as a prop, running dog

                  • oktherebuddy
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                    7 months ago

                    Let me illustrate the dynamic to you so you can step outside your own personally constructed logic labyrinth:

                    1. The US views some country as an enemy for whatever reason, so attacks it either directly or through proxy or sanctions
                    2. The US ruling class cares about the perception of their legitimacy, so they have to sell this action to most segments of US society
                    3. The messaging targeted at liberals focuses on things liberals care about that the targeted country is bad at, like gay rights
                    4. The targeted country takes this messaging and uses it domestically to sell additional crackdowns on gay rights as anti-imperialism
                    5. This crackdown is used to justify further action against the country by credulous liberals like yourself
                    6. The only people who get screwed are the gays, being faced with the twin joys of a domestic crackdown and US bombs/sanctions/whatever

                    At no point in the liberal mind is it considered that the US ruling class does not give one single tiny shit about the rights of gay people in targeted country, or even proxy country. It is purely and entirely bait to get them to support bombing things. One doesn't have to go too far back in history, if at all, in the US to find actions against gay people that, if they'd taken place in the targeted country, would be used to justify liberal support for bombing the place.

                      • oktherebuddy
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                        7 months ago

                        Women are well known to enjoy being bombed, that's why we do it

              • Dr_Gabriel_Aby [none/use name]
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                7 months ago

                So dishonest to what the options are and what the laws in Ukraine have been before the war. At wars end, the far right elements of the Ukrainian rump state will be fully armed to do as they please to LGBTQ community you now claim this war is protecting.

                  • DoiDoi [comrade/them, he/him]
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                    7 months ago

                    Just within your own framework of "west good, authoritarianism bad" how do you reconcile the fact that the US has the world's largest prison population and the highest rate of incarceration of any major country (by a completely absurd margin too)? Is that not authoritarian? Or is that word essentially meaningless and more of a vibes based accusation for thought terminating purposes? You don't actually need to answer this as you are not the first lib we've ever spoken to, but if you want to try by all means go ahead and make a funny comment for us.

                    it's literally a war of "do I continue living in a growing, modernizing democracy with western ties or a backsliding authoritarian dictatorship that's constantly trying to relive the Soviet glory days"

                    lol

                  • NotErisma
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                    7 months ago

                    deleted by creator

                  • yuritopia [any]
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                    7 months ago

                    Lmao, history started in 2022 for you, didn’t it.

                  • BurgerPunk [he/him, comrade/them]
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                    7 months ago

                    Slippery Slope and a strawman!

                    You appealed to the one true Scotsman, you mott and bailey-ed, you triple stawmanned. Checkmate tankie smuglord

              • ShimmeringKoi [comrade/them]
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                7 months ago

                far more human rights abusing nation

                Open Nazi worship, the massacre of labor union organizers, elections cancelled, all opposition parties banned, Russian language banned, conscription squads snatching men and women off the streets, ten years of fascist slaughter along ethnic lines in the Donbas...yeah you libs really picked the right horse to back on this one. Don't you have another SS veteran to go praise?

              • ThereRisesARedStar [she/her, they/them]
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                7 months ago

                For some Ukrainians, such as those in the LGBTQ community it's literally a choice of risk dying as your country defends it's existence, or risk dying in a Russian prison

                Fuck off you pinkwashing asshole.

      • KarlBarqs [he/him, they/them]
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        7 months ago

        Why not go fight yourself? It's the height of cowardice to send someone else weapons and shove them into a fight you yourself won't take up arms for, while claiming to do it for their freedom.

        Ukraine is still accepting volunteers. Why aren't you there?

      • SkingradGuard [he/him, comrade/them]
        hexagon
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        7 months ago

        It's wild to me you're openly defending the US government admitting this war is all about getting rid of old stock so they can do a nuclear war on China. Liberals are fucking ghouls.

        • 0xD@infosec.pub
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          7 months ago

          Right. Russia invading Ukraine is all about the US.

          Putin is obviously a long-term CIA plant furthering the US' agenda of destroying Russia and making money off the blood of innocents.

          • zed_proclaimer [he/him]
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            7 months ago

            Yes it's about NATO expansion and pro-NATO American back coups. Russia has stated it was their red line for 20 years, the west did it anyway and now they are finding out that sometimes Russia sticks up for itself and its red lines. America arrogantly wants the entire world in its sphere of influence, it greedily devours the whole earth. They will never stop encroaching, expanding, colonizing unless they are forced to at gunpoint or nukepoint. They are being forced out of Ukraine right now, and they will soon be forced out of occupied Palestine inshallah. France is being kicked from Africa. Turkey is distancing itself from the rest of NATO over it's pro-genocide of Muslims position.

          • SkingradGuard [he/him, comrade/them]
            hexagon
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            7 months ago

            Putin is obviously a long-term CIA plant furthering the US' agenda of destroying Russia and making money off the blood of innocents.

            Lmfao you're pathetic, trying to frame our disagreement of this war like this. Go back to Reddit. pigpoop

      • zed_proclaimer [he/him]
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        7 months ago

        agreed, death to israeli occupiers/invaders and American invaders in Syria and Iraq. Death to the NATO occupiers of The Ukrainian SSR

        • 0xD@infosec.pub
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          7 months ago

          You're right to a point, but none of these other conflicts you've listed are nearly as black and white as Russia's invasion of Ukraine.

          • zed_proclaimer [he/him]
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            7 months ago

            the opposite is true. Israel is a fascist settler-colonial project that must be dissolved. It's quite black-and-white in fact, extremely simple. Americans illegally invaded Syria and Iraq and steal their oil, they need to get the fuck out. It's very simple, they do not belong there and nobody wants them there and they need to leave or die.

            The Russian invasion of Ukraine is extremely complex and a lot of less experienced leftists totally fell for the chauvinist western propaganda and bought into the pro-Ukraine garbage, or even still both sides the situation. The NATO puppet state will be broken, the will be de-nazified and de-militarized and the West will have goaded on a doomed war that killed 500,000 Ukrainian soldiers and still lost.

  • HornyOnMain
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    7 months ago

    so-true Look! We're actually profiting off of prolonging the bombing of Ukrainian civilians porky-point

  • FnordPrefect [comrade/them, he/him]
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    7 months ago

    What kind of monster do you have to be to look at that map and be like:

    so-true "Oh wow, all this prolonged destruction and suffering makes it so I can buy two or three new video games...I guess I love the war and the ghouls, wait not anymore...Noble Patriots that are causing this!"

    Oh right...

    liberalism <-that kind

  • DamarcusArt@lemmygrad.ml
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    7 months ago

    They're really hitting the "Yeah, we're war profiteers and wantonly murder children without restraint, but here's why that's good actually." level of liberal smugness, aren't they?

  • WIIHAPPYFEW [he/him, they/them]
    ·
    7 months ago

    My dad has openly told me that he supports Ukraine because his job at the docks gets more money when the US government ships military equipment agony-immense

  • quarrk [he/him]
    ·
    7 months ago

    “As Department of Defense leaders have said previously, support for Ukraine has mobilized the U.S. defense industrial base, in ways that haven’t been seen in decades,” DOD spokesperson Jeff Jurgensen said in a statement when asked for comment. “Our industry partners all across the nation have stepped up to meet the kind of production, manufacturing and infrastructure investment capabilities to directly support U.S. commitments to Ukraine — and that will build the kind of industrial base capacity we need for the future.

    bolded ominous statement is ominous

  • Ho_Chi_Chungus [she/her]
    ·
    7 months ago

    Washington only saw $28 million in "supplemental impact"? Did Boeing miss out on the military contracts?