You know how it feels like the world is specifically designed to torture people and cause as much suffering as possible, i.e., hellworld?

That's because it is.

Assume for the sake of argument that we live in a simulation within a simulation with in a simulation, etc. because a sufficiently advanced civilization will eventually produce a simulation of civilization, which will produce its own simulations, and so on. Basically, we are Sims in somebody's hyper-advanced computer.

The particular simulation we're in was designed as a torture world, exactly like season 1 of The Good Place. In the same way that some people who play the actual Sims game kill their Sims by making them swim in a pool and then deleting the ladder out of the pool, this world we live in is literally designed to cause suffering. Some of the people in it -- the ghouls, the most powerful people -- literally aren't real and are part of the simulation (just like the demons in The Good Place), but most of the people are real and their suffering is real (insofar as anything that's nested within layers of simulation can be "real").

The challenge is not to kill yourself. If you die of natural causes, maybe that's how you get out and finally can rest. But if you kill yourself -- which the world is designed to make you want to do -- you get entered back into the simulation and you live again, over and over and over, in a flat circle.

  • glk [none/use name]
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    4 years ago

    Read Baudrillard (or watch cuck philsophy's videos about him).

    We do live in a simulation. But it is a simulation we created for ourselves. This simulation exists side by side with reality. Baudrillard called this simulation the hyperreal. This hyperreality has become so large that it rivals the real. It rivals the real to the degree that we CANNOT tell the difference between our hellworld and reality. There are NO perceivable boundries between them. Trying to escape this simulation will then be terribly difficult. How can you tell you're not building onto the simulation instead of escaping it?

    • WoofWoof91 [comrade/them]
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      4 years ago

      A fun thing to do with philosophy of this kind is imagine it being screamed at you by a scruffy looking dude on a street corner with a sign telling you to wake up

      Amazing how the messenger changes the message

    • Sarcasm24 [none/use name]
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      4 years ago

      Good point! my interpretation would be that the simulation baudrillard is talking about -- the one we've built for ourselves -- is part of the simulation by the Sims Player In The Sky. they've set up our simulation such that their subjects, i.e., us, construct their own simulation within the simulation, adding another layer of irreality into our experience

    • FUCKTHEPAINTUP [any]
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      4 years ago

      On the Green Beautiful, a utopian planet much smaller than Earth, during the yearly planetary meeting, Mila, a rather young woman – by the reckoning of her people, at any rate – volunteers to go as a messenger to planet Earth. It has been two hundred years since the old sage Osam was there, along with Mila's father. At the time of his visit, he recounts, the people of Earth lived in bad conditions. It was the time of Napoleon and the people of earth were still using money – a notion that baffles even the wisest folk of the Green Beautiful. In time, we find out that important historical figures such as Jesus and Johann Sebastian Bach had come from this very planet.

      No one on the Green Beautiful wishes to go to Earth; their opinion of Earth actually isn't all that flattering. They see the people of Earth as un-evolved, and unwilling to change. Mila, however, who knows that her mother was from Earth, is the only one to volunteer, and so is sent to Earth for the purpose of bringing back news of how things have worked out since the nineteenth century. She also wishes to find out more about her parents, although this thread seems to be abandoned quite early on in the story.

      Before she departs, she is given so-called "disconnection" programs – mental devices that allow her to induce life-changing epiphanies in the people she converses with, and even more radical changes, when she uses a version of it with a stronger dosage. She will remain in touch with her home planet via telepathy.

      https://youtu.be/xB1HHt-gfa8

      SUPPRESSED IN THE EU

    • Sarcasm24 [none/use name]
      hexagon
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      4 years ago

      yes, exactly! the god of the bible is just the designer of the simulation. the player of the sims game, if you will.

      out of curiosity, what made you lose your faith?

        • Sarcasm24 [none/use name]
          hexagon
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          4 years ago

          damn, that's hardcore. what priest thinks god can "believe" things lol, what would that even mean

            • Sarcasm24 [none/use name]
              hexagon
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              4 years ago

              ah, that makes sense. i was raised catholic so i really have no conception of what protestants are like or what they believe or how to differentiate between them. i guess a tradition that began in part to allow people to re-interpret scripture in their own way inevitably splinters into a million different interpretations, all of which are extremely similar but are perceived as very different

                • Sarcasm24 [none/use name]
                  hexagon
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                  4 years ago

                  I suppose the descendants of the original Protestants basically think they've found the correct interpretation of scripture, and that discussing other interpretations is inherently a waste of time. Like, they perceive the process of interpretation as one that has already finished, whereas Catholics (and maybe Orthodox as well although I know next to nothing about Orthodoxy) see it as never-ending and therefore worth discussing.

                  I'm not Catholic at all anymore, except in the subconscious way that the religion you're raised with sticks with you and impacts you for the rest of your life. We went to Mass every week and I went to 13 years of Catholic school so I'm still pretty steeped in the Catholic worldview, but I don't believe any of their theological or ontological arguments. Frankly I find the idea of having a personal relationship with the omnipotent creator of the universe a bit strange -- why would he care about us?

  • MAGAY [none/use name]
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    4 years ago

    I think we live in a combination of 1984 and the freaking Matrix, dude