I can't commit to a new site when I hear all these horror stories about anarchist chapo admins mocking, silencing and banning communists. I need to know that this will be a left unity project and that sectarianism won't be tolerated. That I won't be attacked for defending China / NK. That I won't be called a "tankie" for explaining that gulags were a progressive form of justice. That liberals spreading imperialist propaganda about the Uighurs or Honk Kong reactionaries will be shut down immediately and not given room to breathe. The MLs in the chapo community need the admins and mods to make us these promises so we can trust this site and devote our time to posting here.

  • jack [he/him, comrade/them]
    2·
    4 年前

    I agree, but moderating it is tricky if it's a left unity platform. Anarchists and other leftists are going to critique it. That needs to be allowed. Also /u/beatnikthespian, one of the top admins, is a self-proclaimed tankie so they're on your side.

    • sionoro [none/use name]
      13·
      4 年前

      Who actually owns the domain? Is it one of us or an anarchist?

      • Helmic [he/him]
        ·
        4 年前

        I "love" the phrasing that implies anarchists aren't one of us, as though anarchists aren't regularly putting their own gonads on the line in solidarity with other leftists all the time.

      • hat_trick [none/use name]
        21·
        4 年前

        I hope it's a tankie because there's no way this project can succeed if an imperialist holds the keys to it.

      • CoralMarks [he/him]
        ·
        4 年前

        I agree with you, but you can't say all Uighurs are terrorists. You could say Xinjiang had/has a problem with islamist terrorism, but you can't paint all of them as terrorists.

        • hat_trick [none/use name]
          16·
          4 年前

          All the ones that are in internment for being terrorists, not all the Uighurs. Some are just being trained.

          • jack [he/him, comrade/them]
            ·
            4 年前

            Most of the ones in the facilities aren't there for terrorism! They're there for minor crimes. Stop parroting CIA propaganda.

          • spectre [he/him]
            ·
            4 年前

            Terrible take. You can see my post last night to see that I am willing to discuss the situation in good faith, but I'll absolutely take le both sides on this one and say "every person in the internment camps is a terrorist" is just as inaccurate as "the internemnt camps are proto-death camps"

      • AssaultRifle15 [he/him]
        1·
        4 年前

        It's pretty vile to call the entirety of an ethnic minority terrorists.

          • jack [he/him, comrade/them]
            1·
            4 年前

            It is vile and it's inaccurate to what the CCP says and does. It's uncritically accepting the western narrative that China is racist/islamophobic but saying it's good because War on Terror instead of actually debunking CIA bullshit. https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1287411708374454273.html

      • jack [he/him, comrade/them]
        1·
        4 年前

        Feels like anarchists would just say it violates left unity to defend "authoritarian state capitalism". There's a balance to be stuck and I don't think you can just say left unity is violated because someone disagrees with you. I can't predict where the site's going to go but right now it definitely seems more ML than anarchist.

        I don't know who owns the domain but you can probably message the admins and find out.

        Also kind of fucked to just blanket say "Uighurs are terrorists". That's not even the CCP's line and it feels like you might be believing some of that CIA propaganda but saying it's good instead of looking at how it's almost certainly false top to bottom. Here's a good thread that doesn't rely on War on Terror rhetoric to defend China but actually explains how none of the sources are in any way trustworthy or verifiable: https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1287411708374454273.html

          • LesbianLiberty [she/her]
            ·
            4 年前

            See, who the fuck are you people? Have you actually built anything IRL because I know a lot of the leftists in cities near me are anarchists and working with them is essential to what little we've already built in the past couple of years.

              • LesbianLiberty [she/her]
                ·
                4 年前

                See that's what the hell I mean, go outside you dork.

                Also; can I just say how weird it is to see you be downvoted in real time? Lemmy is a trip of a platform.

        • hat_trick [none/use name]
          14·
          4 年前

          There can be no left unity as long as reactionaries are allowed to seed dissent.

          • LesbianLiberty [she/her]
            ·
            4 年前

            That's obvious, but what do you consider a reactionary and why? Not everyone that disagrees with you on the left is a reactionary in disguise.

            • hat_trick [none/use name]
              14·
              4 年前

              People who defend CIA-funded lies like the HK protesters or the Uighur propaganda.

              • LesbianLiberty [she/her]
                1·
                4 年前

                Just because you consider someone wrong on one thing doesn't meant they're inherently reactionary; why don't you show them why they're wrong instead of posturing so hard you break your back