I can't commit to a new site when I hear all these horror stories about anarchist chapo admins mocking, silencing and banning communists. I need to know that this will be a left unity project and that sectarianism won't be tolerated. That I won't be attacked for defending China / NK. That I won't be called a "tankie" for explaining that gulags were a progressive form of justice. That liberals spreading imperialist propaganda about the Uighurs or Honk Kong reactionaries will be shut down immediately and not given room to breathe. The MLs in the chapo community need the admins and mods to make us these promises so we can trust this site and devote our time to posting here.
Basically, If you hate capitalism and want to crush fascism you’re welcome here.
That's how I always think of left unity -- whatever our disagreements about the end goals, we're largely on the same page for steps 1 through 100. We can go miles and miles farther left than the U.S. is today before a lot of our philosophical differences become immediate issues.
This is a leftist unity forum, and therefore all leftists, whatever their persuasion, will be heard and tolerated. This is not an exclusionary space against tankies or anarchists or Marxist-Leninists or whoever, and it never will be. So long as you are not spreading imperial propaganda*, then you will be heard. That includes recognising that there are legitimate concerns from leftists against China that is not just CIA propaganda, and allowing those people to speak. We won't shout down legitimate criticism, and we won't allow it to be shouted down. At the same time, we will also not allow praise of China to be shouted down, and we will allow those people to speak too. This is a forum for all, and that is a promise all mods will keep.
*this is something we need to definethe very fact that you referred to us as tankies first shows ur bias, tent communities always end up being exclusionary towards MLs. anarchists love to throw around terms like "jacketing" when the prop that they bought into is called out. good luck with the community .
self-identifying tankies being biased against tankies to own the tankies
no one self identifies as a tankie unless there are anarchists trying to pose it as a derogatory
I think the term "tankie" is pretty cringe, but many people do, in fact, self-identify by it. I see it all the time, especially in the chapo-sphere.
Yeah you were one of the people I specifically had in mind who uses it to self identify :)
I think you can count on all of that except for not being called a tankie. Someone's gonna call you a tankie at some point. But I've been posting a lot of pro-China stuff and it's been a pretty positive reception so far.
Anti-China stuff shouldn't be tolerated though, we can't let this platform turn into another reddit where "China bad" is the status quo...
I agree, but moderating it is tricky if it's a left unity platform. Anarchists and other leftists are going to critique it. That needs to be allowed. Also /u/beatnikthespian, one of the top admins, is a self-proclaimed tankie so they're on your side.
I "love" the phrasing that implies anarchists aren't one of us, as though anarchists aren't regularly putting their own gonads on the line in solidarity with other leftists all the time.
I hope it's a tankie because there's no way this project can succeed if an imperialist holds the keys to it.
I agree with you, but you can't say all Uighurs are terrorists. You could say Xinjiang had/has a problem with islamist terrorism, but you can't paint all of them as terrorists.
All the ones that are in internment for being terrorists, not all the Uighurs. Some are just being trained.
Most of the ones in the facilities aren't there for terrorism! They're there for minor crimes. Stop parroting CIA propaganda.
Terrible take. You can see my post last night to see that I am willing to discuss the situation in good faith, but I'll absolutely take le both sides on this one and say "every person in the internment camps is a terrorist" is just as inaccurate as "the internemnt camps are proto-death camps"
It's pretty vile to call the entirety of an ethnic minority terrorists.
It is vile and it's inaccurate to what the CCP says and does. It's uncritically accepting the western narrative that China is racist/islamophobic but saying it's good because War on Terror instead of actually debunking CIA bullshit. https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1287411708374454273.html
Feels like anarchists would just say it violates left unity to defend "authoritarian state capitalism". There's a balance to be stuck and I don't think you can just say left unity is violated because someone disagrees with you. I can't predict where the site's going to go but right now it definitely seems more ML than anarchist.
I don't know who owns the domain but you can probably message the admins and find out.
Also kind of fucked to just blanket say "Uighurs are terrorists". That's not even the CCP's line and it feels like you might be believing some of that CIA propaganda but saying it's good instead of looking at how it's almost certainly false top to bottom. Here's a good thread that doesn't rely on War on Terror rhetoric to defend China but actually explains how none of the sources are in any way trustworthy or verifiable: https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1287411708374454273.html
See, who the fuck are you people? Have you actually built anything IRL because I know a lot of the leftists in cities near me are anarchists and working with them is essential to what little we've already built in the past couple of years.
See that's what the hell I mean, go outside you dork.
Also; can I just say how weird it is to see you be downvoted in real time? Lemmy is a trip of a platform.
There can be no left unity as long as reactionaries are allowed to seed dissent.
That's obvious, but what do you consider a reactionary and why? Not everyone that disagrees with you on the left is a reactionary in disguise.
People who defend CIA-funded lies like the HK protesters or the Uighur propaganda.
Just because you consider someone wrong on one thing doesn't meant they're inherently reactionary; why don't you show them why they're wrong instead of posturing so hard you break your back
Here's the only anti-China post I've seen so far and the community didn't put up with it: https://hexbear.net/post/795/comment/3439
This is really important. We have to take a strong stand against imperialist propaganda or this site will just turn into r/anarchism.
The largest tendency within the mod and admin team is ML with Syndicalist just behind them. People are allowed to have their opinions on China, and banning people who say China Bad (But not in a sinophobic way that reddit does) would be just as bad faith as banning people who say China Good.
We can difference of opinions, and as long as nobody is jacketing other users or insulting them on a personal level (versus attacking the idea) we can keep things pretty peaceful and fun around here.
Wtf is this post? There are already plenty of ML people already posting the same pro/neutral talking points about China on the site with no issue, just like old times. I know there's been a bunch of mishandling of moderation on the Discord that may spread over here due to biases, but Discord was also a shit place to post. Now there's a modlog and people can actually see what was posted over the course of hours instead of getting buried after a couple minutes.
The tone of this post and the commenters is really weird too. You folks should try discussing actual topics and seeing how it goes first instead of asking themods to offer a personal guarantee so that you'll bring your glorious posts to the new Chapo. Yeah it sucks that c_d, Zara and a few other good posters got caught up in the drama, I'm not happy with how things have gone down, but it's a forum. Nobody needs you to "dedicate" your time a though you're providing some sort of public service. Just make a new username and post, and then bitch the mods out after they start with some bullshit instead of doing it preemptively.
Is this a bit or did you actually fall for that brigader's imgur screed?
