The big tech companies pay salaries like that in Seattle and New York City as well. Some other places that're more affordable too, but those jobs are way harder to find.
60k is more typical for a company that views programmers as a part of their IT infrastructure rather than their core business, like insurance or banking. Or in gamedev, where the workforce is more exploitable than usual.
Well that gets into cost of living more than anything. My point is more that out of the gate a lot of those entry-level programming jobs aren't gonna pay a cool-flat 3-figures.
Or in gamedev, where the workforce is more exploitable than usual.
25 years olds making $100k are like a solid 20% of redditors. They're the ones who talk about how communism won't work and will cause everyone to be lazy and never innovate.
Even smaller towns in California have insane rent prices. If it's on the coast it's almost guaranteed it's higher COL than even some big cities in the middle of the country. And all the beachfront property is people's vacation homes and airbnb shit.
Yeah, even middle-tier systems admin types can approach that range (80k is more typical, higher if you manage to sell yourself as DevOps), and it's higher in larger cities/tech hubs (e.g., Boston, Atlanta, NYC), albeit with worse cost of living.
Senior-level niche software dev positions usually pay absurdly well; 150-200k is not unheard of for things like, say, COBOL finance software maintenance, legacy Java EE stuff that hasn't been migrated off JEE2 or whatever, and vendor-specific ERP shit, although those tend to be on a contract basis while the company in question brings you on to get them the hell off of an expensive-ass outdated legacy platform.
Those old-ass billing and finance systems just refuse to die. And, weirdly enough, the COBOL spec keeps getting updated by Fujitsu and IBM -- they added classes and objects back in 2002, so there's at least some semblance of potential for (non-module-bullshit) code reuse and unit testability. But it's still goddamned fucking COBOL. And if you're maintaining a legacy COBOL system, you'll be lucky if they've even moved off of COBOL-85 yet, since that code usually stays untouched for decades.
I have a few friends who went into Investment Banking and came out of Undergrad making that much, but they work 80-90 hour weeks, get treated like utter shit, and live in NYC/SF so pay $2500-3000 in rent and have absolutely no time to enjoy any of that money.
who the fuck is making $100,000 a year?
New grad programmers working at large tech companies make that much.
Also these jobs only exist in places where rent is at least $1000/mo with lots of roommates, and at least $2000/mo if you want to live on your own.
Also student loans.
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That's why they live in San Jose, save $1000/month and still pay a ridiculous amount....for fucking San Jose
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Maybe in California, but AFAIK outside of Silicon Valley, the entry-level programmer is making $60,000 even with a college degree.
The big tech companies pay salaries like that in Seattle and New York City as well. Some other places that're more affordable too, but those jobs are way harder to find.
60k is more typical for a company that views programmers as a part of their IT infrastructure rather than their core business, like insurance or banking. Or in gamedev, where the workforce is more exploitable than usual.
Well that gets into cost of living more than anything. My point is more that out of the gate a lot of those entry-level programming jobs aren't gonna pay a cool-flat 3-figures.
Oh god, don't get me started on that.
25 years olds making $100k are like a solid 20% of redditors. They're the ones who talk about how communism won't work and will cause everyone to be lazy and never innovate.
Maybe only 1% of those redditors actually make $100k, the rest are 15 yo kids who believe they will make that money when they are 25.
At 25 almost no one, even megachuds are still in business school at that age.
Some coders, supposedly.
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I live in a shitty midwestern state and most rent is above $800.
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Even smaller towns in California have insane rent prices. If it's on the coast it's almost guaranteed it's higher COL than even some big cities in the middle of the country. And all the beachfront property is people's vacation homes and airbnb shit.
Yeah, even middle-tier systems admin types can approach that range (80k is more typical, higher if you manage to sell yourself as DevOps), and it's higher in larger cities/tech hubs (e.g., Boston, Atlanta, NYC), albeit with worse cost of living.
Senior-level niche software dev positions usually pay absurdly well; 150-200k is not unheard of for things like, say, COBOL finance software maintenance, legacy Java EE stuff that hasn't been migrated off JEE2 or whatever, and vendor-specific ERP shit, although those tend to be on a contract basis while the company in question brings you on to get them the hell off of an expensive-ass outdated legacy platform.
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Pretty much, but hey, if it's a 9-5 with no overtime expectations, you can support a surprisingly expensive
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COBOL in c.e. 2020
Those old-ass billing and finance systems just refuse to die. And, weirdly enough, the COBOL spec keeps getting updated by Fujitsu and IBM -- they added classes and objects back in 2002, so there's at least some semblance of potential for (non-module-bullshit) code reuse and unit testability. But it's still goddamned fucking COBOL. And if you're maintaining a legacy COBOL system, you'll be lucky if they've even moved off of COBOL-85 yet, since that code usually stays untouched for decades.
I have a few friends who went into Investment Banking and came out of Undergrad making that much, but they work 80-90 hour weeks, get treated like utter shit, and live in NYC/SF so pay $2500-3000 in rent and have absolutely no time to enjoy any of that money.