you know how people, especially on twitter, try and share their absolute dogshit takes without a care for humility, just unbribled stubbornness

everybody seem so full of themselves and I just can't bring myself to trust anyone unless they show a hint of doubt over their own thoughts, and that's flat out absent from most social media

idk, I don't think I did a good jb describing what I feel, it's hard to accurately put into words

but like, do you have stuff you usually keep to yourself, because like you know the thought isn't well rounded or something and you don't want to say something incorrect. or like interrogations about stuff you can't really answer by yourself

  • glimmer_twin [he/him]
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    4 years ago

    In addition to the other good responses you have, most of the early communist thinkers (not sure how this idea holds up today) beloved that under communism, workers would change roles pretty often, that one week you might be working in administration, then in a factory, then somewhere else.

    It was part of the reason that marxists argue that after a long enough period of the dictatorship of the proletariat, the “state” as we understand it would cease to exist - if every worker is also a member of the administration, with people constantly moving in and out, then essentially everyone is the state. And if everyone is the state, it’s no longer a state (because in this analysis the whole point of a state is for one class to subjugate another class, like the bourgeois state we currently live under exists to subjugate the proletariat).

    All this is to say, in a future communist society someone might be like “oh man, I’m on garbage collection this week!”, but it wouldn’t be your indefinite, soul crushing existence.

    • WoofWoof91 [comrade/them]
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      4 years ago

      that one week you might be working in administration, then in a factory, then somewhere else.

      Yeah, but you know, skills and experience are a thing

      • glimmer_twin [he/him]
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        4 years ago

        in some cases most leftists would argue they can be a detriment - the more people that stick around working in administrative positions, the more the bureaucracy grows and ossifies.

        I’m not an expert on the matter, but I’d say the thinkers that were putting forward these ideas were of the opinion that under communism we’d be working with an educated and organised proletariat, capable of building individual and organisational knowledge to the point where any member of the class could easily jump from one role to another. At least in terms of the day-to-day running of society and production, obviously you’d need medical specialists, but even in that industry, your average worker could do admin or maintenance etc.

        Now if you want to have a conversation about whether that was perhaps idealistic/utopian thinking on their part, that’s another matter. I could see the argument on both sides, but the idea that a liberated working class, organising and educating itself, couldn’t reach that level of general skill isn’t completely unrealistic. And although we try to remain materialists, on some level leftists have to have SOME idea that things can be better in the future, otherwise why the hell are we even bothering, lol.

        • WoofWoof91 [comrade/them]
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          4 years ago

          Even if you could get every worker to be skilled in the use of every tool, or machine, or computer program or whatever else for every job, skills get rusty if you don't use them. And with experience comes speed, someone who has fixed trucks for years will be faster at it than someone who has done it for a week.
          Even things like cleaning, which some (incorrectly) see as a no skill job, benefits from experience. Have you seen someone who rarely cleans floors try and mop something? It takes them ages and they usually mop themselves into a corner.

          • glimmer_twin [he/him]
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            4 years ago

            Ok, but if you have a section of society that spends their lives mopping floors, and a section of society that spends their lives making lofty decisions about everybody’s life in that society, you have essentially just created a new form of class society. How do you square that circle?

            • WoofWoof91 [comrade/them]
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              4 years ago

              Ok, but if you have a section of society that spends their lives mopping floors, and a section of society that spends their lives making lofty decisions about everybody’s life

              Dunno how the fuck you got that from what I said