I loved TLJ’s general idea, thought it should have been better executed in regards to the lore (for instance, some real Jedi training for Rey, the “Holdo maneuver“ was either lazy writing or lack of familiarity with source material, and also Snoke should totally have survived and his survival hinted so the 3rd movie was set, but I digress).
The ending was very cool, though. Sad that its implication was essentially scrapped, it seems.
Yes, the BLM movement happened because of Hunger Games, this makes sense to me.
Hunger Games is good! I wasn't there for that, but I will fight, and win that fight. Haha
I mean terminal lib-brain aside, he's kind of right. It was a pretty big mistake for capital to make so much wildly successful works of fiction about small rebel groups fighting against a corrupt authority since that very much informed the morality of a lot of people who grew up consuming that stuff.
I know JK Rowling is a terf and Harry Potter is haram, but through a certain lense you can argue the series is basically about "Antifa is a good thing, actually"
Corbyn is like the closest real life analogue to Dumbledore, down to being smeared and vilified by the media. The only difference is that, as far as we know, he wasn't the head of a clandestine anti-fascist fighting cell.
If it gets them to support BLM, it gets them to support BLM
Eh, his heart seems like it's in the right place, so I'll allow it.
What did Harry Potter even do other than just get lucky on a technicality?
It's worse than you think.
- Harry's friends with a poor kid. It's explained the reason he doesn't financially help him is the family is too proud to take money.
- There's literally no reason for the wizard economy to have poverty though since you can make anything out of anything as it's been demonstrated multiple times.
- There are magic slaves you can get for free basically.
- The book talks all the time about revolution but nothing actually happens, Harry ends up becoming a wizard cop.
- The girl who wants to free the magic slaves gives up on it and takes the compromise position in the government working with "magic creature affairs".
- Harry doesn't even beat Voldemort, he just wins on a technicality based on an obscure rule.
Hunger Games was a based decolonialist take-down of the imperial core through direct action, protracted peoples' war, and effective agitprop.
The Order of the Phoenix was a revolutionary vanguardist party that successfully couped the fascist regime and generated a dictatorship of the proletariat, which Harry safeguards.
Star Wars is just reactionary lib shit, I'll give you that.
I agree on Hunger Games, not suuuure I can agree on Order of the Phoenix as slavery literally still exists and basically nothing changes at all at the end of the books. Star Wars is literally based on Vietnam and Lucas seems like he has some very cool opinions he's aired in the past , I'm inclined to believe that he personally liked the USSR and was a strong sympathiser even though he is who he is.
I think the problem media here is Harry Potter. It's extremely lib. Its politics and ideology mirrors that of its author who is a racist terfy shit.
Order of the Phoenix is an Early-Bourgeois-Arisstocratic revolution, like the Dutch or the Downfall of the Stuarts. bunch of Elite Trader Monopolists attempting to promote liberal "freedoms" at the expense of the old Agricultural Feudal Aristocracy.
I think I agree on Order of the Phoenix. Gorn is right in that it's a vanguard to an extent, but vanguards aren't unique to MLs. There have been several cases where leading groups have utilised a country's revolutionary energy and their own organised power/influence to then lead and guide that energy forwards That's what they're doing in the books too. I'm more inclined to think JK Rowling's influence is secret societies, conspiracy, Knights Templar shit and the like though rather than bourgeois revolution. I don't think she has the historical knowledge or interest to write anything other than that, her politics are incredibly shallow.
Uh, but Harry himself freed a House-elf (or, tricked Dobby’s master into freeing him), something that happens extremely, extremely rarely. The Elfs, for the most part, don’t even want freedom because of all the internalized racism (which the books show Dobby struggling with, and over-coming).
And one of the most memorable sub-plots was Hermione working her ass off for the Society for the Promotion of Elfish Welfare. And the Elfs fought in the Battle of Hogwarts, which may have marked a turning-point in the relationship. Even the extremely reactionary Ron Weasley had a change of heart, which marked him and Hermione getting together.
HERE LIES DOBBY, A FREE ELF
Though it’s true, slavery didn’t end during the books. And I won’t deny there’s a hella lotta lib shit in the books hahaha I just like pointing out some of the ways it’s based, too, cuz I love them. I have zero tolerance for JK Rowling though, and as far as I’m concerned she hasn’t written a word past the books, not even a single tweet. Death to terfs. And ya, Cho Chang and a few other characters/races are super fucking racist. I, unfortunately, can’t help that I read the series a dozen times growing up haha. I wish JK didn’t have to ruin it by being such a shit with her privilege.
Star Wars is some bullshit though. It’s all about how ancient religious orders are more based than federal governments, and about how individual heroes are more important than mass movements. I sleep on Star Wars, though it’s been a long time since I’ve seen it. I only know that Star Trek is better.
I’m glad, tho, that we agree on Hunger Games. It’s also the most realist media on this little list, and I’m glad that it gets the politics right. It really makes me wanna rewatch it. Maybe even read past the first book, we’ll see. I just love Katniss so much hahaha 🏹
Hmmm we disagree a bit but I do kinda understand how you got to where you are. Star Wars is good though, at least under Lucas. Yes there's a space cult and magic involved but I genuinely think it serves no political or ideological purpose other than to put wizards in space for the sake of making the story more interesting. I don't see Jedi or Sith as competing religions. They are space wizards learning light magic vs dark magic. It has DnD influence if anything, which I think you can see a lot of when you look at the varied party-members during "dungeons" that they're investigating and the skills of the party members ranging from ranged combat to melee to lock-picking and/etc. Jedi are the space wizards of the party.
Honestly, 95% of the time I talk about HP these days, it’s just to shit on the author. I cannot explain why I feel compelled to redeem it that other 5% ahaha
I’ve always liked the Jedi, tbh, before I started doing a political reading. They remind me of Buddhist monks, and I like a lot of the teachings they carry. Plus, they do it with badass space swords and are committed to fighting to the death to protect their values. V cool.
Jedi are the space wizards of the party.
I can’t believe it took like less than an hour for me to come around on Star Wars haha thank you for enlightening me o7
Jedi or Sith as competing religions
Thats way more of a thing in the old EU, particularly the old republic era stuff
Right right but I'm mainly focused on what Lucas was directly involved with. When I say "Star Wars is based on vietnam" I'm definitely solely referring to Lucas' works. I'm sure there are huge chunks of the EU he had absolutely nothing to do with.
I’m sure there are huge chunks of the EU he had absolutely nothing to do with.
Yeah, pretty much everything in the EU had ~0 Lucas involvement, thats why a lot of it is, you know... good
But semi-joking aside, from what I remember from interviews and stuff, he basically wanted to make a ww2 film, in space, with samurai movie elements and that morphed into whatever the hell it is now
Ok I definitely need to rewatch star wars if I'm ever gonna be able to approach it with that level of nuance hahaha. 6 + 3 movies plus a miniseries, here I come! Haha
I've spent so much time thinking Lucas' whole heroes journey thing is so derivative and christian, it will be quite the experience watching it with a 'this is maybe marxist' read hahaha
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This is all very new to me haha. Growing up, it was always "Star Trek is for leftists, and Star Wars is for chuds”. Luckily my mind is flexible and capable of change haha, how interesting!
It's the great man theory vibes that set me away the most. Every character is a hero, and that's the whole story. I don't think I'll ever get into the extended universe stuff, but I do think I'll give the films another look . I haven't even seen all of the new new trilogy yet, so a full re-watch might be a good way to get around to that :)
You don't raise a generation of Aubrey-Maturin fans and then tell them not to take up historical reenactments of Napoleonic-era sailing.
Help I've read Camus and my only outlet is racist murder and soliloquies.
