Like, after we drive ourselves off a cliff because of the natural world reacting to our bullshit, shrugging us off like insects, I'm dying to find out about the next epoch following the Anthropocene.

The next sentient species to roam the Earth, be it a million years from now....will they learn about us, will they enact communism? Will they actually live the lives that no species on this planet ever managed to live?

Shit, forget about the extinction of humanity. In the unlikely instance that civilization and humanity doesn't collapse, it hurts to know I won't be alive for a true communist utopia. Because it will come one day, it's inevitable. But it's sure as shit not happening within our lifetimes.

  • MemesAreTheory [he/him, any]
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    3 years ago

    You know, I think a certain amount of doomerism is appropriate given the circumstances, but this is pushing the bounds of usefulness. Maybe drifting into counter-productive territory/self-defeating.

    Understanding that our world is irreparably changed due to the rot of capitalism is one thing - but writing the species off is basically admitting defeat up front and doing the work of fascists/capitalists for them. I chose revolutionary communism because I looked at the path the world was heading and realized I either had to embrace nihilism and enjoy what little I could by elbowing out everyone else, or I could roll over and die. Those are the options as presented by our hegemonic culture, "it's easier to imagine the end of the world than the end of capitalism" and all that. Well, I found those options intolerable, so I kept searching for another way. Revolutionary theory isn't just a set of guidelines for changing things - it's a way out of the false choice presented by hegemonic thought.

    There ARE alternatives. The species is not prima facia doomed. We have the technology and resources necessary to avert extinction, and if we're really committed and a little lucky, even turn our planet away from the worst consequences of climate change. The only thing stopping us is political will, and that's something that can in fact be fostered. That's going to require a strong subjective factor, though. By that I mean quality leaders and Cadre ready to agitate and organize as the contradictions of capitalism worsen. Succumbing entirely to doomerism is to give up that vision of an alternative future - and sharing that is an essential part of radicalizing others. We have to lead by example, and wallowing in :LIB: notions of unassailable capitalist society is a real shit example.

    Edit: A little harsher than I meant to be

  • DefinitelyNotAPhone [he/him]
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    3 years ago

    Hey friend, I say this out of genuine concern: go log off and do something that brings you comfort for a bit.

    Humanity is not going extinct even under the worst case scenario of climate change. Could we fuck up civilization? Sure. Could we kill a bunch of ourselves? Definitely. But humans are resilient and not going to die out anytime soon. Doomerism is not healthy.

    • flowernet [none/use name]
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      3 years ago

      I don't see why Human extinction is impossible. Extinction is the rule in nature, and Humans are still part of nature. Sure, humans are smarter than all other species, but we're also not strangers to mass death. When famines happens millions upon millions of people who were just as intelligent and conscious as you died, because that intelligence didn't matter when they were in an environment that could not sustain their life. not saying it's likely, But I think human extinction is absolutely possible if major changes happen suddenly to the environment from a severe loss of bio-diversity. This exinction also may not be sudden (from a human perspective), lasts thousands of years, potentially longer than urban civilization up to this point.

  • ShutUpShutUpShutUp [she/her]
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    3 years ago

    This reinforces my belief that "Communism will never happen in our lifetimes" is both bad optics and mental poison. We will win because the alternative is hell. Plan for victory, not defeat.

  • refolde [she/her, any]
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    3 years ago

    Sometimes I wish I can just be a ghost or something so I can just see the world and whatever without really being affected by it.

    I would also like the ability to slightly influence things as a ghost but that's beside the point.

  • coeliacmccarthy [he/him]
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    3 years ago

    there's actually a greater than zero chance that you will have an idea of what will succeed humanity if we get our shit together to genetically uplift thumbs onto dolphins or put symbolic language genes into magpies or something before we all die

    • RandomAccessKhemri [none/use name]
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      3 years ago

      Given recent developments in research into octopus social structures and intelligence, I would vote for them if we HAD to uplift an aquatic species (which would a massive pain in the ass given the difficulty of industrializing underwater given the obvious impediments to combustion). We would be wise to choose our inheritor species based on the likelihood it would succeed in becoming interstellar

  • RandomAccessKhemri [none/use name]
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    3 years ago

    It gives me hope. If humanity fails to achieve communism it is a failed species. Future sentients would probably be better off without the taint of human remnant populations. Assuming we fail as a predicate to the hypothetical, not as a statement of belief.

  • Esoteir [he/him]
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    3 years ago

    im just glad i'll be around to see James Cameron's Avatar 2-5

  • sam5673 [none/use name]
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    3 years ago

    The natural world isn't angry with us and we're part of it and have always been part of the natural world. We aren't aliens

  • hahafuck [they/them]
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    3 years ago

    Nah I find the fact that I will one day die pretty freeing. I think thats the healthier way to feel about it, you can't escape death so why worry and cry about it. Everyone who died before, everyone I know alive now, its gonna be curtains in the end, so on with the show I say

  • penguin_von_doom [she/her]
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    Yes. Ever since Covid I have been struggling a lot with mortality. On one hand I realized how vulnerable my mom is, and I know that her time will come. On the other - with the pandemic so much death has become so obvious. And then - realizing the extend of climate change, and how life is not only doomed, but worthless .... IDK it worries me a lot. I think about it a lot. I hope there is something after it, but I also know that everything points to the conclusion that there isnt, and that this particular configuration of consciousness once gone is gone, and cant ever experience or be. And knowing it can happen just like that, and that its inevitable, and at best it will just follow a long period of deterioration where at some point you will no longer be you just .... :sadness-abysmal: :sadness-abysmal: :sadness-abysmal: :sadness-abysmal:

    • Mrtryfe [none/use name]
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      3 years ago

      I hope there is something after it, but I also know that everything points to the conclusion that there isnt

      I can't say I'm much of a religious person anymore, but I also don't think there's any conclusive evidence that points to one thing or the other when it comes to what occurs after death.

      Where you find nothingness uncomfortable (and how would you even perceive that once the lights are out?), others, even in this thread, find that thought to be comforting. There are still others that find the idea of an afterlife or reincarnation or whatever else that involves some form of living again to be uncomfortable, while another group of people find those thoughts comforting.

      Whatever helps you mentally, it doesn't mean you need to give up any leftist values. There are plenty of people that have beliefs that are syncretic in this way.