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if the police are controlled by the dictatorship of the proletariat instead of serving the interests of capital they are ultimately a force of good.
up to you if you think china's police are doing the former rather than the ladder
Evidence: When the SSRs started collapsing, a huge amount of police were replaced or swapped out for people more sympathetic to free market capitalism.
If all cops are the same that wouldn't need to happen.
Chinese people aren't regularly murdered in the streets by cops, so that's instantly a plus.
I mean I’ve seen videos online of Chinese cops beating the living crap out of people, pretty sure they weren’t bourgeoisie.
I would not be at all surprised at this point to learn that the Chinese execution vans are a complete fabrication. Is there any truth to that story?
I thought that they were (are?) legit, but they're just part of China's normal legal process. Rather than having dedicated buildings for executions, you just have a few specialised vans that drive to places when it needs to be done.
Capital punishment is still cringe and China's cringe for doing it, but the execution vans themselves don't make them any worse than any other country that has capital punishment.
How much is “regularly” doing in that sentence? I kinda assumed one could simply say that they aren’t murdered by the police.
I've never heard of anyone getting murdered by cops in China, but I can't say for certain that it never happens.
I'm certain at least one person has been murdered by Chinese cops and he'll I'm sure there's most likely some institutional issues but I'm also quite sure it isn't the norm and I'm sure it isn't encouraged.
Gotcha, I was wondering if it was thing, but like a limited thing that requires the distinction in regularity or not. Thanks for clarifying
How does Chinese law enforcement handle the (fairly common) riots by work study students and temporary workers from the countryside?
minor correction, it's doing the latter, not ladder. Whether or not someone is doing the ladder only matters if your step-ladder seems frustrated.
The internet has broken my mind. I cannot read step-ladder without hearing the meme and giggling.
I'm already on thin ice with the volcel police, so I'll pretend I don't know what might happen when the step-ladder is asked for help.
For instance, the behaviour of the police in China was a revelation to me. They are there to protect and help the people, not to oppress them. Their courtesy was genuine; no division or suspicion exists between them and the citizens. This impressed me so much that when I returned to the United States and was met by the Tactical Squad at the San Francisco airport(they had been called out because nearly a thousand people came to the airport to welcome us back), it was brought home to me all over again that the police in our country are an occupying, repressive force. I pointed this out to a customs officer in San Francisco, a Black man who was armed, explaining to him that I felt intimidated seeing all the guns around. I had just left a country, I told him, where the army and the police are not in opposition to the people but are their servants.
Huey Newton
Idk what does a regular beat cop do to defend socialism? It’s not like there are just random dudes in big top hats walking around going “muh hahaha I just stole a bunch of labor value from those proles and put it in this big bag with a dollar sign on it!” And then the cops roll up and go “it’s illegal to be a capitalist in these parts you swine!” And then the cops case around the guy in a top hat while yackady sax plays.
Benny Hill is a documentary of life under socialism.
I would imagine stopping black market operations from happening in the country to prevent capitalist from accumulating capital to try and reinstate capitalism. I know the black Market was always an issue the USSR spent trying to fight it
Okay but the casing the guy in the big top hat around in a long hallway filled with doors that they keep entering and exiting in a nonsense fashion is way more funny.
Neither Washington nor Beijing
Not this false equivalence crap again. China has many flaws but it's obviously nowhere near as bad as America.
Not to mention, people who say 'neither Washington nor Beijing' always talk about using sanctions or bombs to 'fix' to fix the latter, but :vote: to fix the former. Their attitudes are never really equal.
Vietnamese cop, with no weapons, defusing a fight.
Western "leftists": yeah, that's a bastard. Material analysis? No need when you can have s l o g a n s.
I want to comment on this but I think I would end up being sectarian sooooo.... how about that weather
You can live on forever in modlog Valhalla. All shiny and chrome.
Strafe around the edges and you should avoid the worst of it. Ask about Cuban cops taking down American-backed/trained (or straight up American) counter-revolutionaries. A lot of that sub has imbibed anti-china but Cuba's history can act as a pretty solid wedge.
Starting to think 'ACAB' might be slightly reductive as a universal slogan
When I thought of liberals co-opting ACAB, it would be something like selling products or something. Now I see its use in serving imperialism.
Fun fact: in the DPRK, police don't carry guns or weapons of any kind.
in principle i agree with this. except i'm going to worry about fighting the pigs that can actually arrest me and avoid uncritically swallowing everything my government tells me about the pigs that can't.
Policing involves violence and ends up creating an identity around doing violence.
Policing seeks to solve social issues through force.
Policing cannot right a wrong, only seek retribution, and occasionally prevent future harm.
While there are unjust laws (and there always are), police have sworn to use violence to enforce them.
These critiques will apply when the US is socialist as well.
There are definitely situations where you can reduce harm by using force, and suppressing the bourgeoisie is one of those.
There are other things police do too, like police theft and drug use (both of which are crimes in AES states), which cannot be solved through force.
For instance, the behaviour of the police in China was a revelation to me. They are there to protect and help the people, not to oppress them. Their courtesy was genuine; no division or suspicion exists between them and the citizens. This impressed me so much that when I returned to the United States and was met by the Tactical Squad at the San Francisco airport(they had been called out because nearly a thousand people came to the airport to welcome us back), it was brought home to me all over again that the police in our country are an occupying, repressive force. I pointed this out to a customs officer in San Francisco, a Black man who was armed, explaining to him that I felt intimidated seeing all the guns around. I had just left a country, I told him, where the army and the police are not in opposition to the people but are their servants.
Huey Newton
