Apple is planning to scan U.S. iPhones for images of child abuse, drawing applause from child protection groups but raising concern among some security researchers that the system could be used to surveil citizens.
  • kristina [she/her]
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    3 年前

    excited for them to see my own tits on my phone and send a SWAT team to kill my trans ass due to an AI error

    • vccx [they/them]
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      3 年前

      Yeah I'm sure the algorithm that kills pedestrians and drivers every other day is going to do a great job

  • Civility [none/use name]
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    3 年前

    :porky-happy: Hey can I scan your phone?

    :proletariat: For evidence of child sexual abuse?

    :porky-happy: yesssssss

    :porky-happy: actually just profiles you like a boss

    targeted advertisements time 😎

    • vccx [they/them]
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      3 年前

      targeted advertisements

      That's a funny way of saying COINTELPRO and also getting instant pings for journalists and whistleblowers that have sensitive files on their "encrypted" phones.

  • Mrtryfe [none/use name]
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    3 年前

    One of those situations where the corp just takes on the form of the state. Sure, iCloud is encrypted, but if Apple is deciding to snoop around, it doesn't mean much. On top of that, they've kind of relented to three letter agencies in the past when those agencies started throwing a tantrum because Apple wanted to add more encryption.

    The premise itself isn't bad, but under current conditions, it shouldn't be a surprise if this leads to more privacy encroachment.

    • skeletorsass [she/her]
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      3 年前

      "Encrypted" does not mean anything if Apple stores all of the key. It may as well not be at all.

    • vccx [they/them]
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      3 年前

      iCloud is not new. This is granting the ability to mass scan people's local encrypted storage.

  • sergiostweest [none/use name]
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    3 年前

    Sometimes I sit and think about the fact that when they threw up the NSA monitoring systems it must have highlighted Epstein and the larger CP operations. I think about the fact that somewhere, someone decided all this needed to continue and how that person has free reign to spy on anyone and their children.

  • ryansmith [he/him]
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    3 年前

    How do you train an algorithm like that? It says they have a hashlist, but you can't convert a hash back into an image to train a classifier. Whose stash of confirmed child porn was this trained on?

    • buh [she/her]
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      3 年前

      the source images for the list are from law enforcement

      • ryansmith [he/him]
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        3 年前

        I'm not trying to argue you're wrong, you're almost certainly right but where is this unimaginable giant stash of government owned child porn stored? How long has it been stored there? Have they only been collecting it since they realized this kind of thing could be possible? Who exactly in the government said "we are now collecting child porn", and when did they say it?

        • crime [she/her, any]
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          3 年前

          The most charitable legitimate use cases for a government cp database would be evidence from past cases, and at least nominally for busting child porn rings or kingpins or distributors or whatever

          • ryansmith [he/him]
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            3 年前

            That job has to suck so much shit. Database administrator to the child porn collection, yeesh.

            Split on it. The privacy shit sucks, no way to blunt that. But I'm personally willing to give up a lot to keep kids from being fucked. Don't know.

            • crime [she/her, any]
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              3 年前

              Yeah, if it were another entity (not us government + multi-trillion dollar corp) doing the snooping I'd be more okay with it

      • Multihedra [he/him]
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        3 年前

        Tim apple to the pigs: hey, you don’t happen to have, like, a giant .zip full of, uh, child porn, do you? It’s… for a proj—

        Pig: hey, say no more brother, just take it easy in there

  • SolidaritySplodarity [they/them]
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    3 年前

    Some joker that's in charge of IT security at a decently-sized startup tried to tell me that Apple was the best on security because despite being 100% closed, they had built up a lot of trust with good practices and wouldn't break it.

    lol

  • EthicalHumanMeat [he/him]
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    3 年前

    Call me crazy, but I don't think they're doing this to find evidence of child abuse.

  • TheFuckYouOnAbout [hy/hym]
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    3 年前

    Massive upswing in dumb teenagers being arrested for possession and distribution of cp coming soon

    • vccx [they/them]
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      3 年前

      The sheer number of false positives mean that cops permanently have access to everyone's pictures without a warrant. Seriously.

      Computer vision is genuine trash, it can't even gender cis white people properly and that's all the silicon valley bros train their models on.

  • Koa_lala [he/him]
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    3 年前

    Nobody here seems to understand how this works. There is a massive database of cryptographic hashes derived from abuse pictures/videos. These hashes (or codes) can be compared to the ones of the contents on your smartphone.

    Fun fact, we do this on hexbear to purge any unwanted and illegal content.

    • vccx [they/them]
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      3 年前

      The Verge article also talked about using computer vision on top of the old style hash checks. I remember Apple Photos using local image recognition algorithms on the newer iPhones for the categorizing photos you take, even if you don't upload anything to iCloud

  • Sen_Jen [they/them]
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    3 年前

    How will this AI distinguish between a naked 17 year old and 18 year old? Considering so many AIs can't understand the concept of black people

    • BezosDied [any]
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      3 年前

      During the Tumblr purge, AI couldn’t distinguish sand dunes from white people.