https://twitter.com/johnrobertsFox/status/1422996114593259521
Personally don't think this is the right path at all and is going to effect rural, poor and anyone without proper public transit (soooo a ton of people) unfairly. I understand the idea behind it but there are so many better ways to deal with the driving problem they've created.
This is going to hurt rural people real bad. When I was in the city I had jobs any where from .5 to 12 miles away, after moving to bumfuck nowhere the closest good job I could get was 36 miles. Hell in the city there were 3 grocery stores within a half mile radius now the closest shitty one is 12 miles away and almost 40 to get to a decent one.
In conclusion fuck everything about this.
Yeah, its just bad. Another greenwashing, bloodsucking, half-baked idea and i can't imagine the end result will be good.
yes i propose something much more reasonable that doesn't negatively impact poor rural folks like taxing fuel on a per gallon basis (which, of course, has zero relationship to miles travelled) and continuing to subsidize declining gas revenues with money from the general fund
Do you think they're going to stop gas taxes? This is additive not a replacement.
taxing people for using cars without any alternative isn't going to stop climate change, it's just going to be another tax on the poor
the only thing that will stop climate change is [redacting] the authorities en masse in minecraft
This is for a pilot program to replace the gas tax. The gas tax is already a mileage tax by proxy, for the most part.
There are better ways to do this, like modulating it by vehicle weight to accurately reflect cost of upkeep to roads, but if you want to still have roads when electric cars start to have serious numbers, if you're not talking about a mileage tax then you live in a fantasy world.
I mean, big rigs paying for their fair share of road maintenance would kill the road freight industry overnight. Semis cause like 36x the stress to roads as an average sedan or something equally bonkers.
There will be pain somewhere, is all I'm saying, and it will inevitably be felt most by the poor, no matter the implementation details.
The US General Accounting Office did a study on this in 1978. (Excessive Truck Weight: An Expensive Burden We Can No Longer Support CED-79-94)
They determined that a fully loaded 80,000 pound 18 wheeler did 160,000 times more damage than a 4,000 pound car (which already is a oversize piece of shit).
big rigs paying for their fair share of road maintenance would kill the road freight industry overnight.
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The big rig actually does over 400x the road damage of a regular car
How much less fuel efficient are they already?
Or does diesel get less/no gas tax?
Okay but giving people the stick for damaging roads without giving them the carrot of mass transit is just sadistic.
How do you think we're going to deal with water shortages?
Climate change necessarily demands a reduction in "quality of life" for the first world.
And there is literally no way to serve the massively spread out rural and suburban American population with mass transit. It is not feasible.
You do not get to continue to live in an exurb and commute into the city in the era of climate change, even if you're poor. I'm sorry. The least sustainable lifestyles will feel the pain the most, that is unavoidable. We should not be investing money into sustaining unsustainable lifestyles. The answer to "the exurban and rural poor will suffer under increased driving costs" is not to expand mass transit to cover the farming town. That is lighting money (and the planet) on fire. The answer is to make land usage in cities (where sustainable living is possible due to economies of scale) more intensive.
You do not get to continue to live in an exurb and commute into the city in the era of climate change, even if you’re poor.
There's no housing in the city. There's no jobs in the burbs. You've got to fix that problem before you start punishing people for getting priced out of the city. If you pass this tax before fixing that issue like Biden is doing that doesn't move us towards sustainability, it just turns the ratchet.
Every mile you drive a car is already turning the ratchet. The ratchet is already turning. We really have no time to delay taking any action on climate change.
The deeply paranoid part of me wonders if there’s gonna be an “innovative” option to “pay by the mile” by installing a device in your car, like some of the car insurance shit such as MetroMile. If ubiquitous, it sure would make privatizing roads mile-by-mile easier if people could be seamlessly billed for using them :agony-limitless:
I just want a train for fuck’s sake
Nooooo you can't just build high speed rail on routes that are currently economically unviable for the purpose of connecting people and stimulating future development!
Nah. They dontbhave the guts to do it.
Fucking if a car gets taxed a truck shouldnget taxed 4x as much. Run amazon into the ground.
But somehow they are going to be exempt and it will be easier to get your grocieries from them than go to the store
Reporting must happen during your yearly inspection. Guess it’s time to start buying my junkers annually. Wait, subprime car loans have the driven the price of broken down old Fords through the roof? Great
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You don't have to have your car inspected in most of the United States.
Looking forward to the extremely confused politics of the American yellow vest movement.
Taxing commuters smdh. Isn’t listening to podcasts punishment enough?
You can't do this without any alternative mode of transport available to you. It's just dumb.
Mayor Pete is like: the surplus population can walk to work if they want to not die in the water wars
