It's very important to make sure that the right fascist is in charge of conducting a genocide.
Motherufkcer literally said "ok that's one example of Biden expanding concentration camps, who cares"
You mean he'll also work to secure a temporary ceasefire to negotiate hostage returns, get humanitarian aid in, and allow civilians to escape?
Wait, that doesn't sound like Trump...
What do you offer, besides a braindead binary reduction to make yourself feel morally superior?
"Anyway, here's why you have to vote for the blue genocider instead of the red one"
If I still had any illusions about the hollowness of liberal rhetoric in the face of actual ethnic cleansing, this would have dispelled them. You are all Good Little Germans through and through, and you'll be santimouniously goose-stepping into hell before you know it.
Go find yourself a pit, and save the civillized people of the world the trouble of burying you in it.
NOOOOO YOU HAVE TO VOTE FOR THE BLUE GUY WHO RUNS CONCENTRATION CAMPS AND SENDS WEAPONS TO NAZIS OR ELSE THE FASCISTS WILL WIN"The people outside looked from blue maga to red maga, and from red maga to blue maga, and from blue to red again; but already it was impossible to say which was which."
Did I stutter, you fucking fascist dork? Remove yourself, preferrably from Earth but at least from the presence of human beings who have retained their souls.
Every ICE detention center along our southern border meets the internationally recognized definition of a concentration camp. None of which have been shut down by Biden. In fact, migrant detention has only increased under his regime. It would behoove you to stop acting like a smug asshole.
Holy shit "ok so there's one example of him expanding concentration camps what's your point point"
I have tonassume you're doing a bit right? Even the most die hard liberal couldn't agree that they are concentration camps and dismiss it as "so what" right.
Honest question, you just explicitly told us Biden expanding concentration traction camps doesn't neggatively effect your opinion of him. Why would anybody who isn't a proud self proclaimed fascists give a single shit what you think.
Well yea you conveniently cut off the part of my comment that was the question lmao surely a sign of a good faith debate.
You're not willing to call somebody expanding what you admitted were concentration camps a fascist? Seems like your political opinions can be pretty easily discarded then since they're objectively worthless.
Lol nobody ever said that was thenonly thing it's just literally the first example somebody brought up and you admitted you weren't aware of it and then i.mediatly started defending. (By the way hope you have a moment of clarity at some point and realize you're literally defending concentration camps)
The fact you went from admitting you didn't know about them to defending them in approximately 3 seconds makes me think that maybe you aren't being sincere when you say you don't just blindly support him.
The half dozen comments explicitly defending concentration camps and literally saying "Oh so just because he's expanding concentration traction camps suddenly he's a fascist" confirms that belief.
If my purity test of "don't expand concentration camps" is too extreme for liberals that's liberals problem not mine.
I was going to vote for Biden but now I won't because you acted with such brutal incivility. This is the most important election of our lives; democracy itself is on the ballot and you are turning people away from the polls before they've even opened. You are handing Trump the keys to the White House; you are ushering in the dark tide of fascism. Enjoy the next election, you have made it our last.
"Look what you made me do!" —You
Bullshit. That's abuser language. If you don't vote for Biden, it's because you made the choice not to. All I did was point out the shallow epistemology of a bunch of tankies from Hexbear.
YOU just made the wall (that Biden is still building) TEN FEET HIGHER!
You're laughing? You're directly contributing to Biden's 2024 lose and you're laughing!?
I wouldn't expect you, who are clearly working on behalf on the Trump campaign (and therefore PUTIN and RUZZIA) to have any capacity for shame.
I was going to vote for Biden but now I won't because you acted with such brutal incivility. This is the most important election of our lives; democracy itself is on the ballot and you are turning people away from the polls before they've even opened. You are handing Trump the keys to the White House; you are ushering in the dark tide of fascism. Enjoy the next election, you have made it our last.
I was going to vote for Biden but now I won't because you acted with such brutal incivility. This is the most important election of our lives; democracy itself is on the ballot and you are turning people away from the polls before they've even opened. You are handing Trump the keys to the White House; you are ushering in the dark tide of fascism. Enjoy the next election, you have made it our last.
If a communist wanted to intimidate you they would simply present you with a book
Hey bucko, you haven't deleted this one yet. Clean. Your. Room.
We aren’t claiming anything. We are pointing out that objectively he is worse. He ain’t called genocide Joe for nothing.
More kids in concentration camps. More support for the ukraine. More support for the Zionist entity.
with all these crimes against humanity he is actively supporting who wouldn’t be worse?
Somewhere along the lines of "sending support to Ukraine is bad?" I'm guessing lol
Sure, here you go
"None of which have been shut down by Biden. In fact, migrant detention has only increased under his regime"
Hope this helps
"Hate speech" lmao you're really on some Eve Fartlow shit. Nobody cares about your crocodile tears, genocide lover.
And who's acting like the fascist, here?
You, the one advocating for the ongoing genocide.
I was going to vote for Biden but now I won't because you acted with such brutal incivility. This is the most important election of our lives; democracy itself is on the ballot and you are turning people away from the polls before they've even opened. You are handing Trump the keys to the White House; you are ushering in the dark tide of fascism. Enjoy the next election, you have made it our last.
We got a 1 comment folks.
Always love to see how long it takes liberals to go from insisting we have to vote for him to literally telling us to go fuck ourselves, congratulations on setting the lowest possible score.
Lmao yea were the lazy ones not the guy who said
"you have to vote for Joe because reasons"
"Those reasons are bulkshit and here's why"
"Fuck you I'm not here to impress you"
Liberals continue to be the worst electioneering on the face of the planet
Remember this when you're telling yourself Biden lost because progressives didn't support him and remeber your solution to that was to tell us to fuck our selves and you don't care what we think
Right back at you buddy. Have fun somehow losing to a geriatric fascist for the second time in a decade while telling yourself it's everybody's fault but your own even though your voter outreach involves telling the people who's vote you need to go fuck themselves.
Let me know how simultaneously pissing off POC and Muslims works out for you in Michigan. You think your guy will actually campaign there this time?
Buddy it took you 3 seconds from finding grout about the concentration camps to falling all over yourself defending them.
You're gonna have to come up with a better campaign message then "I'm ok with concentration camps because I don't think that's fascism" if you want anyone to take you seriously.
I was going to vote for Biden but now I won't because you acted with such brutal incivility. This is the most important election of our lives; democracy itself is on the ballot and you are turning people away from the polls before they've even opened. You are handing Trump the keys to the White House; you are ushering in the dark tide of fascism. Enjoy the next election, you have made it our last.
I was going to vote for Biden but now I won't because you acted with such brutal incivility. This is the most important election of our lives; democracy itself is on the ballot and you are turning people away from the polls before they've even opened. You are handing Trump the keys to the White House; you are ushering in the dark tide of fascism. Enjoy the next election, you have made it our last.
I was going to vote for Biden but now I won't because you acted with such brutal incivility. This is the most important election of our lives; democracy itself is on the ballot and you are turning people away from the polls before they've even opened. You are handing Trump the keys to the White House; you are ushering in the dark tide of fascism. Enjoy the next election, you have made it our last.
What exactly do you think the UN does? It has no power.
Also: https://www.npr.org/2023/12/08/1218332312/israel-hamas-war-us-ceasefire-veto-un
After the vote, the U.S. deputy representative to the U.N., Robert Wood, said the resolution was rushed and ignored U.S. diplomatic efforts to get more aid into Gaza and free hostages taken by Hamas militants in the Oct. 7 attack on Israel.
"We propose language ... that would have reinforced the life-saving diplomacy we have undertaken since Oct. 7, increased opportunities for humanitarian aid to enter Gaza, encourage the release of hostages and the resumption of humanitarian pauses and laid a foundation for a durable peace," Wood said.
"Unfortunately, nearly all of our recommendations were ignored."
The US still can stop military aid to Israel instead Biden is using his emergency powers to send them more weapons to kill Palestinians. Not to mention past ceasefires it vetoed. It obviously there will never be an agreeable ceasefire because the actions point to an intended genocide.
“Biden admin uses emergency authority to approve tank shells sale to Israel” https://thehill.com/homenews/4352027-biden-us-tank-sale-israel-bypass-congress/
The problem is it's not as simple as that. Hamas and Israel are at war. That's an undisputed fact.
Israel is the US's ally. Also an undisputed fact.
Joe Biden is an old politician and Catholic from an era where "Zion" is synonymous with Israel. Calling himself a Zionist, I suspect, is like calling himself a Christian with different words. But "Zionist" doesn't mean the same thing anymore, and I bet he doesn't fully grasp what he's identifying with in a modern sense.
Additionally, and this is the political muck of it, were Israel's ally. Typically, you honor your alliances. I don't know why we're so gung ho about the middle east and Israel, but alliances seem to mean something to heads of state, even if you don't agree with the ally's tactics. I've never been a President, so I don't know what the political calculus is here, but I seriously doubt that genocide is Biden's goal.
Israel is the US's ally. Also an undisputed fact.
Maybe allying with an ethnostate is part of the problem
Typically, you honor your alliances
Lol, the US doesn't give a shit about that
Joe knows exactly what zionism is and always has: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=2HZs-v0PR44
Typically, you honor your alliances
Game of Thrones Brain and it's consequences
Israel does provide the US with strategic and geopolitical advantages. I would be okay if the US just came out and said that it doesn't care about human rights or war crimes, the issue for many of us is the clear hypocrisy in the response between Ukraine and Palestine. Biden and the Democratic Party should also accept that many people in the US care about human rights and Palestine.
but I seriously doubt that genocide is Biden’s goal
I don't. https://theintercept.com/2021/04/27/biden-israeli-invasion-lebanon/
Begin said he was shocked at how passionately Biden supported Israel’s invasion when Biden “said he would go even further than Israel, adding that he’d forcefully fend off anyone who sought to invade his country, even if that meant killing women or children.” Begin said, “I disassociated myself from these remarks,” adding: “I said to him: No, sir; attention must be paid. According to our values, it is forbidden to hurt women and children, even in war. Sometimes there are casualties among the civilian population as well. But it is forbidden to aspire to this. This is a yardstick of human civilization, not to hurt civilians.” The comments were striking from Begin, who had been notorious as a leader of the Irgun, a militant group that carried out some of the worst acts of ethnic cleansing accompanying the creation of the state of Israel, including the 1948 Deir Yassin massacre.
Do you have any response to the second half of this post, the part about Biden being enthusiastically on board with Palestinian genocide? Or are we ignoring that part to keep pretending he's not fascist?
He's never gonna reply, running dog confirmed (but we already knew that)
He has a tendency to do that, as the rest of the thread has shown. A lib with pig shit for brains, rolling in the mud and thinking so highly of himself for it.
🎶tale as old as time🎶
But "Zionist" doesn't mean the same thing anymore, and I bet he doesn't fully grasp what he's identifying with in a modern sense.
So we're in the position where a sitting US president is making speeches using words he doesn't understand? Wow, that does not seem great. Maybe we should have a president who knows what words mean, you know?
Also, I have to admit, I don't care if someone has genocide as a goal or not. I care a bit more about their actions. Will a person's actions lead to more genocide? If so, then I think that person should be removed from power, immediately, regardless of what they think about genocide.
So we're in the position where a sitting US president is making speeches using words he doesn't understand? Wow, that does not seem great. Maybe we should have a president who knows what words mean, you know?
I agree. But we're about four years too late for the next election. I don't think even a younger Bernie 2.0 would have enough time to build a successfully competing campaign.
The UN does have the power to impose sanctions and a ceasefire.
That power is subject to veto by the US.
Which vetoed it.
You fucking moron.
Genocide Joe's regime literally blocked three consecutive UN ceasefire resolutions, but do go on there. 🤡
I did, and many people in this very thread explained them to you over and over. And one thing that's abundantly clear from this thread is that you're fascist who supports genocide.
I bet Genocide Joe has polling data showing that Muslim and Arab Americans are negligible and he decided to throw them under the bus. Then again Biden himself is not anymore progressive or any less Zionist than any Republican candidate, he is to the right of many of them.
points at objective reality
Multiple republicans are at least calling to stop funding the genocide. It's for dumbshit reasons like not being enough of a fascist on the border but Joe is literally going farther than many republicans in supporting the ongoing genocide.
Also you're commenting on an article quoting him bragging about how much he supports it, I know liberals are pretty experienced in ignoring what Biden says so they can pretend he's more progressive but like, what do you mean prove it your commenting on an article where he said it.
Obviously the only ideology in either case is fealty to capital, but Republicans blocking Joe's attempt at getting Israel more funding is objectively at least slightly to the left of getting Israel more funding, meanwhile anyone can tell you that "try to get the other guy's President impeached" has become an increasingly regular feature of political theater, and yet you use motivated reasoning to say that the former doesn't count while the latter is indicative of an ideological divide and not just a way that parties now like promoting their brand.
I don't particularly respect galaxybrained takes about Republicans somehow being overall more progressive than Dems, but pretending that Dems are progressive is just sad.
@Adkml@hexbear.net @princeofsin@hexbear.net @anonochronomus@hexbear.net
THIS is what a proper, pondered reply looks like. Whether it is agreeable or not, it addresses the original point made and makes an effort, in good faith, to justify his position.
You're truly persistent, but I couldn't possibly accept it. Let me tell you what - how about you enjoy it by yourself?
We're on the internet, none of this is real. Go touch grass, nerd.
Non sequitur, ad hominem, infantile response.
The locus of discussions doesn't affect argumentation.
Sorry we weren't polite enough to you while you were defending concentration camps
Yet another display of your intellectual dishonesty, as you're talking to someone who's openly a democratic marxist communist. Instead of deflecting and using ad hominem attacks, you could instead focus on trying to understand things and why people have different opinions.
To be clear didn't read any of that horseshit past your first sentence because clearly it would be a waste of time.
So everybody has an idea of how much energy to waste trying to have conversations with you I wan a make this really clear. Are you saying there is no objective way to know whether or not Biden said he is a zionist who will fully support Isreal here?
Because if that's the case I think you're confusing "objective reality" for "literacy"
Because we're literally commenting on an article that directly quotes Joe Biden as saying that.
So unless you're saying what Biden says has no connection to reality (you could probably get somewhere with this but pretty sure that's not your point) not really sure what you're backup is.
Epistemic fallacy, non sequitur, strawman fallacy, goalpost moving.
His argumentation was clear in that it was directed at questioning one, and only one, attribute mentioned by you, specifically:
Then again Biden himself is not anymore progressive or any less Zionist than any Republican candidate, he is to the right of many of them. [emphasis mine]
You, on the other hand, argued for:
Then again Biden himself is not anymore progressive or any less Zionist than any Republican candidate, he is to the right of many of them. [emphasis mine]
Which is neither valid as a reply, nor is it relevant to the raised issue.
I was going to vote for Biden but now I won't because you acted with such brutal incivility. This is the most important election of our lives; democracy itself is on the ballot and you are turning people away from the polls before they've even opened. You are handing Trump the keys to the White House; you are ushering in the dark tide of fascism. Enjoy the next election, you have made it our last.
Can't say I approve of doing it often, but a little silliness is good once in a while.
How kind of you to offer, but I'm not interested in that. My relationships with people on the internet are strictly platonic.
Epistemic fallacy, non sequitur, strawman fallacy, goalpost moving.
redditorExcept it isn't, as you'd know if you did any studying beyond looking up a list of fallacies on wikipedia...
According to 90% of both parties in the house criticism of the state of Isreal is anti semitism so if you wanna get mad at somebody for conflating terms go yell at a liberal.
Also love that you're trying the argument that him saying he's a zionist doesn't necessarily mean he supports what Isreal is doing, conveniently ignoring the second half of his sentence was "which is why I will continue to support Isreal in what they are doing"
Also just so you know when you come in here, insist we have to vote for Biden, say that Biden saying "I'm a zionist which is why I will continue to support isreals war" doesn't mean that Biden supports what Isreal is doing, tell us to go fuck ourselves, and then tell us we dont understand how anything works that just confirms everybody already pretty firmly held beliefs that you're full of shit and not worth engaging with, and deffinitly not worth supporting your candidates.
Discrediting of opinion isn't a valid path of argumentation. Don't lower yourself to the tatics of the right simply because it's easy... (unless it's a lost case, like a Nazi. Then it becomes justified).
Doesn't look like that to me. Admittedly, I only went 4 pages deep, but I couldn't find any evidence of your claim.
Put your money where your mouth is. What do you do in real life? Are you an organizer?
Are you? Because to me, you seem like the regular garden variety, run-of-the-mill, imageboard troll.
I'm a real life community defense activist, firearms and medical instructor in one one the worst hellish slums in amerikkka. I bully liberals online for funsies. Go outside, join an org, touch some grass, and stop being a liberal.
Guess what, I don't give a shit what you think. touch grass.
Clearly you do, since you're so invested in a conversation which didn't even feature you originally.
Cope and seethe loser, you're giving me so much power over your emotions right now. What do you do? Do you ever leave the basement?
Just like I said: a regular, run-of-the-mill imageboard troll. That's pretty sad.
you're grasping at straws here because you've been eviscerated in this thread, Its very funny. Go back to Lemmy liberal
Now you've gone completely peculiar. Did you get so flustered that you confused lemmy with reddit?
I was going to vote for Biden but now I won't because you acted with such brutal incivility. This is the most important election of our lives; democracy itself is on the ballot and you are turning people away from the polls before they've even opened. You are handing Trump the keys to the White House; you are ushering in the dark tide of fascism. Enjoy the next election, you have made it our last.
@Telorand@reddthat.com why are you deleting all of your comments?? Suddenly not feeling confident in your position??
One of the differences between me and this lib is rhat I never delete my cringe posts, for they are as much a part of me as anything else
for Genocide Joe or Trump will win and do the exact same thing.
x2 combo!
