Coming from the lady that is a frequent guest in chapotraphouse, making fun of chuds is like the prime directive of the show; but guilt by association is a cheap shot, so let's see what she writes.
But inasmuch as democracy is a shared vision—a collaborative dream about the kind of governance we’re capable of and the sort of future we could build—it’s crucial to keep its practices alive even when its functions have broken down.
We don't live in a democracy, let alone a liberal democracy. The United States is a decidedly illiberal place, it has been for generations (since its foundation even, you could argue). To claim we can behave like liberals in a fundamentally illiberal context is to resign yourself to failure. This is a fundamentally ahistorical understanding of the united states. It obfuscates the reality of what's going on. That you cannot have a democracy when one group (the ruling class) has final veto on the demands of other classes (the working class, the marginalized communities, the racial minorities). There is only domination, bourgeois domination can be subtle or overt but it will subsume real demands and output token changes.
A recent iteration of the Census Bureau’s Household Pulse Survey asked unvaccinated Americans about their reasons for putting off or refusing vaccination against COVID-19, and allowed them to select more than one option, resulting in a set of ranked concerns for COVID-vaccine skeptics.
No one is denying that there might reasonable arguments for being a vaccine skeptic. Changes to your menstrual cycle, kidney damage, myocarditis are all things you might consider weighting against the vaccine. But that has to be weighed against the very real and damaging consequences of getting ACTUAL COVID. 600,000+ people DEAD. People on dialysis for as long as they live. Systemic Organ failure. Cognitive impairment and brian damage. The weighting possible rare side effects versus chronic damage to your internal organs are absolutely demented. Another thing we could do is argue for the protection and funding of healthcare for anyone with vaccination-caused side effects. Probably the reason why so many people are hesitant to take this risk is that America's healthcare industry is ruthlessly run for profit.
The New York Times recently reported that myocarditis, inflammation of the heart muscle, is more common after COVID-19 vaccination; likewise, NPR featured a story earlier this month on university researchers looking into thousands of claims of menstrual changes following vaccination, and two days later Reuters ran a news article noting that European regulators were probing a skin rash and a pair of kidney disorders as possible side effects of the vaccines
I think a condemnation ought to be made against the news outlets who have reported on this without providing or vetting the reporting through the scientific explanation of the probability of rare side effects. It is also a narrative of "Congrats we got a vaccine!" to "oh the vaccine might kill you" and that is only done to DRIVE UP CLICKS.
, I called one of my uncles, who works in auto repair in North Texas. Chris is an honest, fair, and kind-hearted person, the easygoing one in a family of tightly wound people. When I asked him why he and his wife had chosen not to get a shot yet, he said they were still thinking about it....I felt good about our talk. I want him, my aunt, my cousins, my other uncle, and the rest of my extended family scattered across Texas and Louisiana to be all right. And I believe—but cannot prove—that wanting that for someone is more persuasive, somehow, than the darker, harder political emotions that dominate our discourse now.
This is where I reached my most frustrating moment. All you did was talk to your uncle. He did not agree to vaccinate. Your persuasiveness did not make him get in line. All you did is talk. You are fundamentally a useless liberal. Your uncle might die before the other vaccines he is "waiting on" get approved. He could get the J&J vaccine right now and hasn't. This entire article was fundamentally useless.
We do not live in a democracy. Liberal ideology lives in fucking la-la land. The very serious concern of the unvaccinated cannot really be weighed against actual fucking DEATH. And ultimately, when all it is said and done. We are not, to some extent asking people to get vaccinated for themselves. This is a COMMUNITY NEED. The individual does not, cannot supersede the need for community herd immunity. This is the failure of analysis. For the lack of vaccination, the allowed free speech of vaccination skeptics. The failure to maintain institutional legitimacy and trust in government institutions. We have now allowed hundreds of thousands of people to reach the final end, in agonizing and painful moments that nobody deserves. We are allowing the research and effort to drive up vaccinations to collapse with new, more virulent and more damaging variants. This is an utter fucking mess that is unresolved, even within your own case study.
The Atlantic sucks. Everybody has lost their fucking minds. This is fucking ridiculous. What a fucking garbage article.
But that has to be weighed against the very real and damaging consequences of getting ACTUAL COVID. 600,000+ people DEAD
This is the way I’ve been thinking about this since fucking March 2020 and I was at first (and still slightly) frustrated at how long the clinical trials worked to demonstrate safety. I would’ve rolled the dice on it the moment I could get my hands on it, because we already knew that mRNA vaccines are effective and safe, we just needed to test this particular one. I would’ve gladly taken the risks of an untested thing that’s very similar to things that have all been tested and been fine than the risks of getting covid.
The vaccine could cause 1/1000 people’s heads to spontaneously explode upon injection, and you’d still be better off getting the vaccine, because more than 1/1000 Americans has already died of covid. Probably 1/500 now. And that’s just looking at deaths, ignoring the long term disabilities.
Seems like it's just some navel gazing shit about how we should tiptoe around the fragile egos of anti-vaxxers.
Chris is an honest, fair, and kind-hearted person
No he's not. He might be honest, fair, and kind-hearted to you, his niece, but he is not displaying kindness and fairness towards others when he refuses to vaccinate himself, unless he's still quarantating like it's May, 2020. And obviously he isn't, which means that he's valuing his own comfort over a net benefit to society.
Do you all wanna know how we got my 80-year-old+ nonna vaccinated despite hesitancy to do it because every person in Florida has lost their fucking mind? We told her she would have to get vaccinated or she couldn't meet the baby.
She arrived in our city and my mom took her to the vaccination site to get her first dose.
This woman survived, WWII, raising 2 kids as a single mom, riots and uprisings in Venezuela, and colon cancer yet nobody ever drove her to a vaccination site in Florida. She is a saint and I love her so much. Her neighbors were feeding her bullshit about severe side effects. But all it took was my mom driving her to the site, and threatening to withhold the baby from her.
Liz Bruenig can't even be bothered to fully convince her uncle, whom she calls a kind, fair and honest man, to get a single vaccine shot.
I didn't even get into the fact that an honest, fair, and kind-hearted person would do the right thing and get vaccinated, if not for his sake, then the sake of others. Additionally, if Liz Bruenig really cared and wanted to keep such a kind and honest person around (we want to make the world a better place right?) then she should have been more forceful about getting vaccinated.
Coming from the lady that is a frequent guest in chapotraphouse, making fun of chuds is like the prime directive of the show; but guilt by association is a cheap shot, so let's see what she writes.
We don't live in a democracy, let alone a liberal democracy. The United States is a decidedly illiberal place, it has been for generations (since its foundation even, you could argue). To claim we can behave like liberals in a fundamentally illiberal context is to resign yourself to failure. This is a fundamentally ahistorical understanding of the united states. It obfuscates the reality of what's going on. That you cannot have a democracy when one group (the ruling class) has final veto on the demands of other classes (the working class, the marginalized communities, the racial minorities). There is only domination, bourgeois domination can be subtle or overt but it will subsume real demands and output token changes.
No one is denying that there might reasonable arguments for being a vaccine skeptic. Changes to your menstrual cycle, kidney damage, myocarditis are all things you might consider weighting against the vaccine. But that has to be weighed against the very real and damaging consequences of getting ACTUAL COVID. 600,000+ people DEAD. People on dialysis for as long as they live. Systemic Organ failure. Cognitive impairment and brian damage. The weighting possible rare side effects versus chronic damage to your internal organs are absolutely demented. Another thing we could do is argue for the protection and funding of healthcare for anyone with vaccination-caused side effects. Probably the reason why so many people are hesitant to take this risk is that America's healthcare industry is ruthlessly run for profit.
I think a condemnation ought to be made against the news outlets who have reported on this without providing or vetting the reporting through the scientific explanation of the probability of rare side effects. It is also a narrative of "Congrats we got a vaccine!" to "oh the vaccine might kill you" and that is only done to DRIVE UP CLICKS.
This is where I reached my most frustrating moment. All you did was talk to your uncle. He did not agree to vaccinate. Your persuasiveness did not make him get in line. All you did is talk. You are fundamentally a useless liberal. Your uncle might die before the other vaccines he is "waiting on" get approved. He could get the J&J vaccine right now and hasn't. This entire article was fundamentally useless.
We do not live in a democracy. Liberal ideology lives in fucking la-la land. The very serious concern of the unvaccinated cannot really be weighed against actual fucking DEATH. And ultimately, when all it is said and done. We are not, to some extent asking people to get vaccinated for themselves. This is a COMMUNITY NEED. The individual does not, cannot supersede the need for community herd immunity. This is the failure of analysis. For the lack of vaccination, the allowed free speech of vaccination skeptics. The failure to maintain institutional legitimacy and trust in government institutions. We have now allowed hundreds of thousands of people to reach the final end, in agonizing and painful moments that nobody deserves. We are allowing the research and effort to drive up vaccinations to collapse with new, more virulent and more damaging variants. This is an utter fucking mess that is unresolved, even within your own case study.
The Atlantic sucks. Everybody has lost their fucking minds. This is fucking ridiculous. What a fucking garbage article.
This is the way I’ve been thinking about this since fucking March 2020 and I was at first (and still slightly) frustrated at how long the clinical trials worked to demonstrate safety. I would’ve rolled the dice on it the moment I could get my hands on it, because we already knew that mRNA vaccines are effective and safe, we just needed to test this particular one. I would’ve gladly taken the risks of an untested thing that’s very similar to things that have all been tested and been fine than the risks of getting covid.
The vaccine could cause 1/1000 people’s heads to spontaneously explode upon injection, and you’d still be better off getting the vaccine, because more than 1/1000 Americans has already died of covid. Probably 1/500 now. And that’s just looking at deaths, ignoring the long term disabilities.
@Woly
Seems like it's just some navel gazing shit about how we should tiptoe around the fragile egos of anti-vaxxers.
No he's not. He might be honest, fair, and kind-hearted to you, his niece, but he is not displaying kindness and fairness towards others when he refuses to vaccinate himself, unless he's still quarantating like it's May, 2020. And obviously he isn't, which means that he's valuing his own comfort over a net benefit to society.
Do you all wanna know how we got my 80-year-old+ nonna vaccinated despite hesitancy to do it because every person in Florida has lost their fucking mind? We told her she would have to get vaccinated or she couldn't meet the baby.
She arrived in our city and my mom took her to the vaccination site to get her first dose.
This woman survived, WWII, raising 2 kids as a single mom, riots and uprisings in Venezuela, and colon cancer yet nobody ever drove her to a vaccination site in Florida. She is a saint and I love her so much. Her neighbors were feeding her bullshit about severe side effects. But all it took was my mom driving her to the site, and threatening to withhold the baby from her.
Liz Bruenig can't even be bothered to fully convince her uncle, whom she calls a kind, fair and honest man, to get a single vaccine shot.
I didn't even get into the fact that an honest, fair, and kind-hearted person would do the right thing and get vaccinated, if not for his sake, then the sake of others. Additionally, if Liz Bruenig really cared and wanted to keep such a kind and honest person around (we want to make the world a better place right?) then she should have been more forceful about getting vaccinated.