• Quimby [any, any]
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      3 years ago

      shit. ok. uh... critical support?

      I didn't notice that. edited the title. money worship bad. individually chosen gender expression good.

      • FidelCastro [he/him]
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        3 years ago

        effeminacy

        If I remember correctly, the “effeminacy” thing China has been gunning against isn’t about gender expression as much as “idol culture”. I’ll see if I can find the threads I was reading on that from a queer activist in China.

        As is typical, the western media happily jumped on trying to use this as a propaganda angle. The thread I was reading had some criticism of other policies because China isn’t a utopia, but it was pretty clear on the intent there.

        Edit: Found it. Thread on the topic from our comrades over at r/GenZedong.

        Another twitter thread on the topic.

        Hexbear thread from Alaskaball

        • aaro [they/them, she/her]
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          3 years ago

          I think that's a bit too charitable. Critical support means you have to actually acknowledge flaws as a part of recognition that a project is overall good but isn't perfect.

          https://www.vice.com/en/article/xgx3nn/china-masculinity-sissy-stars

          It's vice, so take it as you will, but remember that critical support requires occasional criticism. It's unreasonable to expect China to be culturally progressive on pace with the most culturally progressive of Western nations, remember that they haven't even legalized same sex marriage or adoption for same sex couples. BUT, they're on good pace, and for that they deserve critical support. But that doesn't mean we should ignore those faults.

          • FidelCastro [he/him]
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            3 years ago

            Agree with you on the definition of critical support. There are plenty of areas to critique China on, including aspects of LGBTQ+ rights, which is why I made sure to reiterate that they’re not a utopia.

            Part of critical support is also understanding the context one is critiquing, which is the intent of what I posted. Defaulting to “china wants to ban all fem bois” is reductive and also not accurate here imo.

            That Vice article is unfortunately repeating many of the same talking points as other outlets, which I’m unsurprised by since Rupert Murdoch’s son is on Vice’s board.

            Regardless, being willing to discuss the flaws of a socialist project is important.

    • FidelCastro [he/him]
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      3 years ago

      effeminacy

      If I remember correctly, the “effeminacy” thing China has been gunning against isn’t about gender expression as much as “idol culture”. I’ll see if I can find the threads I was reading on that from a queer activist in China.

      As is typical, the western media happily jumped on trying to use this as a propaganda angle. The thread I was reading had some criticism of other policies because China isn’t a utopia, but it was pretty clear on the intent there.

      Edit: Found it. Thread on the topic from our comrades over at r/GenZedong.

      Another twitter thread on the topic.

      Hexbear thread from Alaskaball.

      • Haste_Hall [he/him]
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        3 years ago

        Plus it's a thing that the CIA has been partly fueling. They have to fight that.

          • LeninWeave [none/use name]
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            3 years ago

            IDK if it's true, but the CIA has done some fucking whack shit, this wouldn't even be top 10.

            • Haste_Hall [he/him]
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              3 years ago

              Yeah I mean they straight up propagandized Cubans into shipping their kids to the US

          • FidelCashflow [he/him]
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            3 years ago

            That is no different than them making modern art and rock music to distract us from shit.

              • FidelCashflow [he/him]
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                3 years ago

                they did suppress the other popular forms of music with things to say. It is entirely in character for them to be in bed with and pushing rock music though.

        • FidelCastro [he/him]
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          3 years ago

          If it was actually what it’s being positioned as (a crackdown on queer culture), China wouldn’t have a right to fight it.

          If history is any example (and it is), however, I’m sure the state department is fueling as many moonshot angles against China as possible.

          • Haste_Hall [he/him]
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            3 years ago

            Are you in China? Idk, US consulates and embassies, maybe?

          • FidelCashflow [he/him]
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            3 years ago

            They mostly work with the big media types so technically most makeup youtubes are probably getting some juice from your tax money.