explanation on twitter
how dare you criticise
noble savagesindigenous people! They can do no wrong! If I do the same it's obviously ok!
Can this comm stop winning even for a minute? Look at all these triggered carnists, a thing of beauty.
It's a little focused on the individual for my tastes, but it's very true shit
I think with discourse surrounding racism in general and this especially, its good to depersonalize it, more like there is a giant racism machine grinding people into the earth, and eating meat feeds that machine. This encourages the idea that fighting racism isn't about "me doing better", its about joining together with others to fight a vast and inhuman system. Its a stylistic thing really, I think its more effective to ask people for solidarity against a thing, to invite them onto the team against a thing, than to ask them to change themselves, even if here that means the same thing
I need to figure out if the person grading my math Show Your Work submissions is white so i can call that bastard a racist.
It is hard to be reminded of how one's actions uphold a racist system, I agree, nobody should ever repeat that true fact in case it hurts white feelings
I get what you're trying to say but goddamn this is a big reach. Not to mention targeting minority communities for physical labor is something that is common in almost every industry. For as much as carnists like to use the "no ethical consumption" 'gotcha' we should avoid falling into the same fallacy ourselves
this is mostly an answer to carnist bullshit such as "being vegan is ableist/racist/classist", pushing back against that narrative by showing that carnism is, fundamentally and systematically, all those things. You should check out Aph Ko's Racism as Zoological Witchcraft and Sunaura Taylor's Beasts of Burden for further reading on those points.
I have been reading through Racism as Zoological Witchcraft, and I agree that carnism in general is racist. However, the specific point outlined in the tweet is a systemic issue that isn't unique to animal products and can't be morally absolved just by going vegan. I hate saying it, but this is an instance where "no ethical consumption under capitalism" does apply.
sure, but abolishing capitalism wouldn't solve it either, so it's also an instance of "no ethical consumption under carnism". Everyone here knows capitalism sucks, but most libs here still don't believe carnism does, so I have to regularly hit them over the head with it
I'm not sure what you mean by "abolishing capitalism won't solve it". I think the only point outlined in the tweet that wouldn't be at least somewhat resolved by nature of communism is the wasteful usage of native land for raising animals (and the crops to feed them). (As a sidenote, I think that's the only point in the tweet that is uniquely an issue with carnism.) As workers own the means of production they wouldn't be motivated to build and run factories (In general - not just slaughterhouses) in a way that preys on marginalized people and communities and allows companies under capitalism to pay starvation wages.
working at a slaughterhouse will always be traumatising and animal AG will always be massively destructive of the environment. Even if those things didn't disproportionately affect already marginalised people they would still have to affect someone. Carnism is unsustainable is what I mean.
