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Please help me understand Hexbear.
Removed by modSo, since coming here, I've been accosted left and right by ML's calling me a Lib for not being a ML. Essentially that's what it's come down to.
My personal philosophy aligns with Bakunin, Kropotkin, and Bookchin. I consider myself an Anarcho-Communist or Communalist, depending on the situation, I suppose.
I firmly oppose fascism and authoritarianism. I believe in direct democracy and the inherent goodness of humanity.
I really thought that I had found a place where leftist thought was going to be welcomed, but so far I have not found it here. All I've found are hateful people who want me to leave.
Like I said elsewhere, it's almost as if they don't want new people to join their cause. Like they're actively pushing people away who could have the potential to learn, and who have explicitly come here to learn and to engage in good faith.
I just don't get it. I feel like our cause will never come to fruition because of these types of attitudes.
There's no crying in Anarchism. If you wanna proclaim views that don't align with the majority here, just do it and relish in the pushback rather than whining about it. If it is too mean or sectarian, report it. Nobody has the power to downvote you
I just thought that this site was based on, you know:
a leftist social platform centered around community building through discussion, shitposting memes, and sharing content, and We are committed to providing a friendly, safe and welcoming environment for all, and Please "remember the human" and be kind to your fellow leftists. and Respect that people have differences of opinion and that every leftist has a place in our community. Discussing differences in theory is fine and encouraged, just don't make it personal. Remember: Sectarianism is liberalism. We will ban you if you insult, demean or harass anyone. That is not welcome behavior. This is distinctly different than ribbing or grilling someone.
But NOBODY here is adhering to that.
My good-natured "ribbing" of tankies turned into a fucking dogpile of real shit and I started engaging in good faith instead of having a sense of humor about it, I guess? I don't know. I'm just tired.
"Good-natured ribbing"
:wojak-nooo: OMG TANKIES ARE RED FASH
I'm not the only one to have said that, you know.
If you keep on calling people that, you're going to get banned. Knock it off.
He was already banned for using "tankie" as an insult constantly. He was unbanned and told to knock it off. Now it seems he's switched to "red fash", which is objectively way worse.
He thinks he's avoiding sectarianism because he just calls ML leaders and states "red fash", but then avoids it with users of the site that align with those same leaders and states. Ridiculous behaviour.
Almost everything this guy has done so far has been sectarian shit flinging, debatebro behavior, and making a huge mess. I'm not sure I buy the "good faith" thing.
Honest question: Would Volin have been banned, then? Exiled, you might say?
I don't know. One thing I will say is that despite this site's claim of left unity, it does trend towards being very ML, including me. I like this site, and we could use more anarchists. That being said, you are encountering pushback because a lot of your positions are not anarchist, they are liberal.
Ok. That leads me to another question then - what would the prevailing thought be among anarchists regarding authoritarian governments like China/Stalin's USSR etc.?
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I think you're right. It does deserve its own post. That would be a great discussion. I'll put a pin in it for now.
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So are you saying anarchists are authoritarian?
Volin smeared Makhno as a rapist with no evidence
If he did that to another user here, yes he would probably be banned
See I didn't even know who Volin was.
He's one of the main theorists behind synthesis anarchism, the debate between synthesis and the platform is an interesting issue in anarchism imo
Which is one of the reasons I'm here. I want to talk about this stuff.
Well yes, of course. That's a personal dispute.
But would he have been banned for calling Bolsheviks "red fash"?
Idk have you been banned for saying it? Your probably not going to get banned for simply using 'red fascist' unless it's a repeated personal attack, but you shouldn't get upset when people here out how stupid it is to apply this is label to country and its ideology which suffered 80% of casualties in the world war against fascism, etc
And your reaction to these criticisms shouldn't be to go on the defensive and assume sectarianism, but to challenge your beliefs and integrate the criticism if it is in good faith and applicable
Thanks. I'll take that into consideration.
:gold-anarchist: :ancom-heart:
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And Chomsky would have been banned for celebrating the fall of the USSR ? Point ?
That is the point, actually. You seem to have gone off the deep end.
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Critical support for noted anti-communists like Chomsky and Zinn, but emphasis on the critical
Just checking.
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hah alright, so that guy would be a cool convo to have, but try talking about it from the perspective of the system being criticized vs saying people here who follow that tendency are somehow bad.
Got it. Makes sense.
My advice is to not call anyone on this site "red fash". That's how you get everyone to hate you.
So they can't just own it and laugh? They have to get all defensive and pissed?
Like, couldn't we have some flair or something so that we could all know where each other are coming from, philosophically, so we can live together and not take each other so seriously?
I mean, say what you will about /r/politicalcompassmemes, but that flair aspect really helps lighten the conversations.
“Can’t they just own being fascists?”
Come on dude you can’t be serious.
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Dude, just leave, it's fine
Yeah, I might.
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Politicalcompassmemes is a subreddit filled to the brim with Nazis and fascists, both of which are banned from this webzone on sight.
Flairing hasn't been implemented yet.
I can own being a tankie but when you say "red fash" you make fascists more powerful by mixing up the definitions.
I still think "social fascist" isn't acceptable either btw.
yeah, I agree on this. "social chauvinist" works better anyway to describe a certain kind of SocDem that supports imperialism.
ib4 "so you mean all SocDems", yeah I'm being charitable lol
Social chauvinist and social imperialist are both terms that describe the phenomenon well, I think. They are much better terms.
Anyone want a permaban? Please leave a bigoted comment, on my webzone, if you want me to send you a permaban
lol
Ok, point taken.
red fash is one that's not gonna get a good response, yeah. tankie is fine lol
I get your point kind of, but they also let nazis hangs so not the best example.
Only way nazis can hang here is with a rope.
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Got it.
I'm just saying that the flair kinda helps, because it identifies your perspective, so people aren't so quick to judge.
Lol never thought I'd see a real life dril-have-to-hand-it-to-them.jpg
I'm an anarchist, and I was you on the sub two years ago. Stick around you might learn something.
So we're supposed to agree with your opinion that we're fascist and then laugh it off? MLs aren't fascists and have done more than anyone else to fight them. You're basically complaining that we don't agree with your slander against us.
If you want people to stop arguing with you, there's a rule here where you can say "ok I'm done with this conversation now" and then if someone keeps going you can call the mods on them. But continuing to argue gives the people you're arguing against leave to respond however they see fit, with certain exceptions. Gotta learn to love the fight, or stop fighting. Exceptions are made for things that might reasonably cause PTSD reactions
When I was 12 I cried because of a fight I was in with another person on the pbp-RP section of the gaming forum I was on. Now I do not get upset at posts, even mean ones. Now I only cry if I get no engagement on my posts. If people tell me to shut up and that I suck, that just makes me laugh in fact. I post more because of that
:gigachad-hd: Go ahead, insult my posts. It will only make my takes worse.
Yeah basically you can call time out at any point but if you break the time out then you accept that they can too.
That's a great rule. I came here for conversations though, and that's what I expected. I did NOT expect insults from everyone though, or to be immediately suspected of being a troll.
Well sure. But I expected honest conversations here. Not being "dunked on" constantly. That doesn't help anyone.
Well, there's a lot of wreckers so people have itchy trigger fingers for dunks.
Yeah I gotta agree here. We do love dunking on here, and Guy_Dudeman might be a bit out of his element. @Guy_Dudeman, my advice is to stop arguing about these topics for a few minutes and post some pictures of trains on c/urbanism.
Yeah, I think you're probably right. Anyone else like baseball?
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Apparently so! I haven't seen any myself yet, so I guess that's why it's coming out of left-field (pardon the pun).
can you give me some examples of you ribbing tankies?
Calling them red fash = not gonna go well.
Saying they want a big strong papa figure = funny.
There's a lot of ways you can dunk on marxists without calling them idiots.
Good point. I'll keep that in mind.
or wrong ... maybe you wrong
I could always be wrong. I am often wrong.
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