This trick has been around in Canadian politics as long as I can remember. Alternating Conservative and Liberal parties, federal or provincial, always say "wow, we had no idea the books were this bad" the week they take power.
100%, except there’s a fundamental difference in that the Liberals always actually balance the budget, through austerity, while the Conservatives just fucking cut all revenue streams and also do austerity anyway because fuck you
Ie. the Conservatives actually have no real reason to do the austerity beyond anti-human ideology, whereas the Liberals at least, ostensibly, actually do have to balance some shit out, every time...
...NDP when?
(government deficit doesn't even fucking matter anyway, money's all made up, especially when it comes to the state's money. it's just an excuse for austerity so people will swallow shit without questioning it)
Funny how Mulcair was within spitting distance of leadership... and then claimed that he was going to balance the budget. How'd your effort to embrace the fiscal responsibility crowd work out, Tom?
Jesus fucking christ, Tom 'the closest to leadership the NDP's ever been' Mulcair decides to walk to the right of the fucking Liberals, despite no one asking him to. What if... the NDP's base was actually leftists??
Lesson: fucking be a left-wing party you fucking NDP fucks! Hahaha
Will they learn that lesson? Fuckin' prolly not. I miss Jack. Singh's pretty alright, but Mulcair just did so much damage it's hard to walk back on... like... taking the word socialism out of the party mandate cuz it's 'just not relevant these days'.
Fuckin' fuck you, Tom, and your creepy-ass fake grandpa smile, no one likes you or your sweaters. We're taking the NDP back, starting with Singh.
Ok fine, maybe starting with the next leader. Did you see his latest shit on Palestine? Y u gotta be bad, NDP, you're all we have 😭 (I still stan the NDP, but, like, come on haha we're dying to love you NDP, just give us a reason, any reason)
The NDP didn't go right of the Liberals in 2015. The only reason people thought that was because the Liberals promised a $10 billion deficit for the following fiscal year (which is not far from a balanced budget all things considered), and they had a phony "tax the rich more, the middle class less" scheme with good branding.
The other elements of the NDP platform were fairly traditional socdem stuff - childcare being one of the biggest. But you're right that Mulcair did shift the party right, like Layton before him. They haven't been anything remotely radical since they were a much smaller party. I don't think Singh will go left of that generic socdem stuff, but he's solidified his ideology and goddamn some of their policies could have really helped me out last election. I'm still going to vote them or Green depending on my riding, but I have little hope for them at the moment.
I am fully done with the Greens, and I used to be a huge supporter. Now they’re mask off about ‘trying to appeal to both the left and right wing’. I have no time for their ‘both sides’, ‘apolitical’ lib shit. They have never included ‘challenging capitalism’ as a part of their ideology, and I definitely don’t expect them to just start one day. Imo they’re far to the right of the NDP, and now just irrelevant seeing as all of the left pretty much gets climate change these days.
So, as much as I’m a little fed up with the NDP, they’re still the best party imo. You’re right, they didn’t march all the way to the right of the Liberals or anything. But they did choose to present to the centre, instead of the left, at a time the Liberals were presenting to the left, and it was a really bad look. Trudeau was able to basically snag all of the lib NDPers, and the NDP hasn’t been able to recover since.
They were the official opposition ffs hahaha. One day, they’ll form government. And I will be happy because, hell ya, their policies would be fucking excellent for me, and I think could generate a new wave of normalizing socialism, like we got when health care was socialised, and who knows how far that could take us these days
Meantime, here’s hoping Daddy Twodeau gives us that UBI experiment, real pharmacare, and legalizes shrooms lmao I fucking hate the Liberals, so they could at least pander to me a little harder ahaha
I think I’ll prolly just vote NDP until I die at this point, unless I’m in a swing riding and there’s another harper looming, I might be tempted to line up behind another trudeau to oust them. Hoping it doesn’t come to that and the NDP can finally form government federally
I do have a bone to pick there - the NDP has never been a big party. Their only time as Official Opposition was their biggest result. Mulcair's loss of half those seats was their second-biggest seat result, third if you go by percentage of the house. Even Singh's 2019 drop isn't really far out of traditional NDP territory. There's still room for the party to come back. I only vote Green when the local candidate is better.
I can't bring myself to get more involved in elections than voting at this point though. I did some organizing and direct action right before COVID and I'd much rather get back into that than sit around waiting for another election.
That’s a really great point. No one expected that orange wave to sweep Quebec, not even the Quebecois NDP candidates haha, and everyone correctly expected it to subside.
I’ve supported Green candidates when they’ve actually had a shot, but generally just can’t support the party. Capitalism is just too ingrained in their ideology. They want like adam smith era capitalism, and I just can’t haha
I hear you though, I’ve been turned away from doing work in elections. If there’s ever another super critical moment like getting harper out or something I might again, but until then I’m fine just putting like a half hour of my life into going to a poll and ticking a box. If the NDP manages to position itself as a threat again, I could see myself getting involved
I also did some organizing and direct action before covid, because shutting down canada in solidarity with Indigenous peoples is based :red-fist:
This trick has been around in Canadian politics as long as I can remember. Alternating Conservative and Liberal parties, federal or provincial, always say "wow, we had no idea the books were this bad" the week they take power.
100%, except there’s a fundamental difference in that the Liberals always actually balance the budget, through austerity, while the Conservatives just fucking cut all revenue streams and also do austerity anyway because fuck you
Ie. the Conservatives actually have no real reason to do the austerity beyond anti-human ideology, whereas the Liberals at least, ostensibly, actually do have to balance some shit out, every time...
...NDP when?
(government deficit doesn't even fucking matter anyway, money's all made up, especially when it comes to the state's money. it's just an excuse for austerity so people will swallow shit without questioning it)
Funny how Mulcair was within spitting distance of leadership... and then claimed that he was going to balance the budget. How'd your effort to embrace the fiscal responsibility crowd work out, Tom?
Jesus fucking christ, Tom 'the closest to leadership the NDP's ever been' Mulcair decides to walk to the right of the fucking Liberals, despite no one asking him to. What if... the NDP's base was actually leftists??
Lesson: fucking be a left-wing party you fucking NDP fucks! Hahaha
Will they learn that lesson? Fuckin' prolly not. I miss Jack. Singh's pretty alright, but Mulcair just did so much damage it's hard to walk back on... like... taking the word socialism out of the party mandate cuz it's 'just not relevant these days'.
Fuckin' fuck you, Tom, and your creepy-ass fake grandpa smile, no one likes you or your sweaters. We're taking the NDP back, starting with Singh.
Ok fine, maybe starting with the next leader. Did you see his latest shit on Palestine? Y u gotta be bad, NDP, you're all we have 😭 (I still stan the NDP, but, like, come on haha we're dying to love you NDP, just give us a reason, any reason)
The NDP didn't go right of the Liberals in 2015. The only reason people thought that was because the Liberals promised a $10 billion deficit for the following fiscal year (which is not far from a balanced budget all things considered), and they had a phony "tax the rich more, the middle class less" scheme with good branding.
The other elements of the NDP platform were fairly traditional socdem stuff - childcare being one of the biggest. But you're right that Mulcair did shift the party right, like Layton before him. They haven't been anything remotely radical since they were a much smaller party. I don't think Singh will go left of that generic socdem stuff, but he's solidified his ideology and goddamn some of their policies could have really helped me out last election. I'm still going to vote them or Green depending on my riding, but I have little hope for them at the moment.
I am fully done with the Greens, and I used to be a huge supporter. Now they’re mask off about ‘trying to appeal to both the left and right wing’. I have no time for their ‘both sides’, ‘apolitical’ lib shit. They have never included ‘challenging capitalism’ as a part of their ideology, and I definitely don’t expect them to just start one day. Imo they’re far to the right of the NDP, and now just irrelevant seeing as all of the left pretty much gets climate change these days.
So, as much as I’m a little fed up with the NDP, they’re still the best party imo. You’re right, they didn’t march all the way to the right of the Liberals or anything. But they did choose to present to the centre, instead of the left, at a time the Liberals were presenting to the left, and it was a really bad look. Trudeau was able to basically snag all of the lib NDPers, and the NDP hasn’t been able to recover since.
They were the official opposition ffs hahaha. One day, they’ll form government. And I will be happy because, hell ya, their policies would be fucking excellent for me, and I think could generate a new wave of normalizing socialism, like we got when health care was socialised, and who knows how far that could take us these days
Meantime, here’s hoping Daddy Twodeau gives us that UBI experiment, real pharmacare, and legalizes shrooms lmao I fucking hate the Liberals, so they could at least pander to me a little harder ahaha
I think I’ll prolly just vote NDP until I die at this point, unless I’m in a swing riding and there’s another harper looming, I might be tempted to line up behind another trudeau to oust them. Hoping it doesn’t come to that and the NDP can finally form government federally
I do have a bone to pick there - the NDP has never been a big party. Their only time as Official Opposition was their biggest result. Mulcair's loss of half those seats was their second-biggest seat result, third if you go by percentage of the house. Even Singh's 2019 drop isn't really far out of traditional NDP territory. There's still room for the party to come back. I only vote Green when the local candidate is better.
I can't bring myself to get more involved in elections than voting at this point though. I did some organizing and direct action right before COVID and I'd much rather get back into that than sit around waiting for another election.
That’s a really great point. No one expected that orange wave to sweep Quebec, not even the Quebecois NDP candidates haha, and everyone correctly expected it to subside.
I’ve supported Green candidates when they’ve actually had a shot, but generally just can’t support the party. Capitalism is just too ingrained in their ideology. They want like adam smith era capitalism, and I just can’t haha
I hear you though, I’ve been turned away from doing work in elections. If there’s ever another super critical moment like getting harper out or something I might again, but until then I’m fine just putting like a half hour of my life into going to a poll and ticking a box. If the NDP manages to position itself as a threat again, I could see myself getting involved
I also did some organizing and direct action before covid, because shutting down canada in solidarity with Indigenous peoples is based :red-fist: