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  • 420blazeit69 [he/him]
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    3 years ago

    Say you're 17-18 and you join the military because you think we're the good guys and we're only doing carefully targeted violence towards the bad guys. You arrive in Iraq and quickly figure out that's all bullshit -- we're not doing anything good, and much of what we do indiscriminately kills a ton of civilians along the way. You refuse to fight. There's no way out of that situation that doesn't see you behind bars for at least a while. Even if you're detained relatively briefly before you're court martialed and kicked out -- the best case scenario -- you now have the equivalent of a felony conviction on your record, which will fuck with your housing, education, and employment for the rest of your life.

    If you're a cop and you want to quit, you can just stay home until they fire you. No detention, no trial, no black mark on your record. There's no comparison.

    Americans didn’t figure out that the police are bad until last year

    Things boiled over last year, but there's plenty of longstanding hostility towards the police on both the left and the right. It's easier to sell military propaganda than cop propaganda because people actually spend time around police. If I tell a bullshit story about something happening in your backyard and a second bullshit story about something happening 7000 miles away, which is easier to see through?

    • Redbolshevik2 [he/him]
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      3 years ago

      Yeah none of this is true. There are a ton of ways to be discharged without ruining your record or being imprisoned.

      There is 5x as much copaganda in the US as army propaganda. Again, half of the most popular shows are about cops.

      If being an American inherently led to an awareness of the realities of American policing, we would not live in the world we live in. BLM would not have had to happen and Joe Biden would not be president. Unfortunately, most American are exactly as ignorant about the realities of policing as they are the realities of soldiering.

      • 420blazeit69 [he/him]
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        3 years ago

        Tell me how some 18-year-old who was just deployed to Iraq can quit without at minimum a dishonorable discharge.

        On propaganda, the amount isn't as important as how easy it is to see through. If someone bombards you with tons of propaganda about something you have personal experience with, that propaganda isn't going to be that effective. But if you're bombarded with propaganda about something foreign to you, you're more likely to buy it.

        People don't have a full awareness of the reality of American policing, they just have more of an awareness of it than they do of what the military does. It's stuff happening in your backyard vs. across the globe.

        • Redbolshevik2 [he/him]
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          3 years ago

          Tell me how some 18-year-old who was just deployed to Iraq can quit without at minimum a dishonorable discharge.

          You start at conscientious objector and go from there. There are about a dozen ways.

          So Americans are aware of the reality of policing, which is why they slurp down bucketloads of propaganda in a full half of the top ten shows on TV.

          If Americans had 1/100th of the familiarity with policing that you're ascribing, Joe Biden would not be President, Kamala Harris would not be Vice President, Black Lives Matter would not have been defeated, Liberals would not be creaming themselves over that one Capitol Hill cop, and half of the most watched shows in the US would not be copaganda. You are simply wrong and a national chauvinist.

          • 420blazeit69 [he/him]
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            3 years ago

            You can't claim conscientious objector status after you volunteer for military service. You're just making stuff up.

            As for American familiarity with policing, consider the reaction you'd get for "fuck the troops" vs. "fuck the police." One is far beyond the pale outside of small, politically irrelevant leftist groups because it's met with such universal opposition. The other is a mainstream rap song people still listen to 30 years later.

            • Redbolshevik2 [he/him]
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              3 years ago

              You can file for conscientious objector status after enlisting, look it up.

              And yes, Americans are more aware of policing than the military, but that is extremely localized and to any extent that it's broad, it's recent. Any time prior to maybe five years ago if you said "fuck the police" to a white person they would look like you'd just fucked their mother in front of them.

              • 420blazeit69 [he/him]
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                3 years ago

                No, that's incorrect, and you'd still get a dishonorable discharge in any event. And no one gets conscientious objector status if they wake up one day and don't want to fight -- you basically have to be a lifelong committed pacifist to even have a shot at it.

                Any time prior to maybe five years ago if you said “fuck the police” to a white person they would look like you’d just fucked their mother in front of them.

                This is also incorrect. There are sizeable segments of both the left and the right who've long been hostile to police, and direct (but more careful) criticism of the police has a long history at least among Democrats.

                  • 420blazeit69 [he/him]
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                    3 years ago

                    I didn't look it up because I know you're wrong, and you're the one making the assertion anyway. I'm not your research assistant.

                    By sizeable segments you mean 0.5% of each (white) population

                    You're totally disconnected from reality. Plenty of people knew there were serious issues with the cops long before five years ago.

                    You're back to just making shit up -- I'm done here.

                          • 420blazeit69 [he/him]
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                            3 years ago

                            Lmao your own source -- had you bothered to even skim it -- shows you're full of shit. But keep calling other leftists Nazis. If you're not a cop, you're doing a cop's job.

                              • 420blazeit69 [he/him]
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                                3 years ago

                                "DEBATE ME DEBAETE ME DEABATE MEEME1!!!1!!!"

                                You're a wrecker and a miserable piece of shit, so I'm going with

                                :bugs-no:

                                • Redbolshevik2 [he/him]
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                                  3 years ago

                                  Lmao most intellectually honest and curious American.

                                  You've demonstrated every single thing I asserted, you soulless bug.

                                  • 420blazeit69 [he/him]
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                                    3 years ago

                                    lol someone just learned the phrase "intellectually curious"

                                    :countdown:

                                    • Redbolshevik2 [he/him]
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                                      3 years ago

                                      You're so sure of your information and your convictions and yet you can't demonstrate what you're saying. Seems like some kind of soulless bug to me.

                                        • Redbolshevik2 [he/him]
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                                          3 years ago

                                          Yes sir, Major! I'll get right back to my acceptable duties of scraping dead children off of tank treads!

                            • Redbolshevik2 [he/him]
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                              3 years ago

                              you're doing a cop's job

                              Oh sorry let me go on a tour of the Middle East and murder a few children, I know that's far more acceptable to you "people"