Blowout WIN for the Democrats is far more likely than a blowout win for the GOP. The fact that everyone in the Chapoverse is "convinced" that the Dems will lose makes me think that Dems will win 250+ house seats and 55+ Senators more and more every day.
Fr fr tho, Leftists need to stop talking about "material conditions" as if they have any relevance to American politics because the fact is none of us understand anything about real material conditions.
they got a point, american politics is about culture and scoring points. No one in this country even really connects politics to material conditions because its neolib hell.
Culture wars are downstream of material conditions though. What specific type of dumb bullshit that appeals to chuds and libs does not appear out of thin air. It's a result of material conditions
This is some culture war brainworms, comrade. The power structures in the United States are absolutely determined by the owning class. Just because the superstructure is convoluted doesn’t mean the base doesn’t exist. And if wha you’re saying amounts to “the superstructure is a lot more complicated than Marx made it out to be”, then you’re about 100 years late to the party on that
Correct, but "politics" in the United States are pure superstructure. The base exists, but it's irrelevant to the "political" discussion because any political entity with any sort of real power is in complete agreement on how the base operates (more money for us, fuck you).
literally by definition "material conditions" IS what exists, including both the base and superstructure. The internet is material, including cults on it, despite how disconnected from reality they might be. "Material" doesn't just mean something that is physical.
I see what you mean though, that liberal politics is delusional and leftists shouldnt try to engage in it. However, we definitely should never stop trying to make sense of and analyze material conditions, it is impossible as well.
I'm also kinda leaning in the direction the Democrats just dominate politics for the next 10 years. Trump was a traumatic event for so many Americans because it forced them to have an opinion on how the government works. I don't think anyone actually enjoyed it. Everyone was pissed off all the time. It got exhausting and people seem to rather want everything to go back to just living in the suburbs, eating your treats, go to work until you die.
It also doesn't help that normal everyday Republican voters are bleeding out rapidly. They're either losing enthusiasm or they're all dying. The ones who stuck around are getting freakishly Q-pilled and alienating everyone around them. The January riot at the capital was unpopular with absolutely everyone, including the chuds. They're all going nuts and the more sane ones are completely checking out.
It seems to me that the Q crowd is running a successful, decentralized harassment campaign at school boards / local government meetings across the country right now. I wouldn't be so quick to dismiss them as freakishly Q-pilled agitators. As living standards continue to decline, I think people could become more receptive to their conspiratorial theories of blame.
In my view, the right could tolerate these people because they represent an army of zealots who are far more activated than the typical voter. And that's putting aside the fact that the Q crowd could / does get its own into office, who can then become something reckon with. This attitude of "Republican Party to Soon Become Irrelevant" is something I've heard before -- before Hillary ate shit in 2016.
I have a different memory of the Trump years. People loved dunking on that guy! You could write the same "Wall Closing in on Trump" / "This Remark Crossed. The. Line." article every week for 4 years and just change some proper nouns around and you would have a massive audience. People hated him for sure, but they also got off on this overhyped good vs. evil narrative where they were acting like reply guys and thinking it was heroic
It seems to me that the Q crowd is running a successful, decentralized harassment campaign at school boards / local government meetings across the country right now.
GOP voters bleeding out was a demographic inevitably. That's part of the reason why Dems were so triumphant in 2016 and dismissed the possibility of a Trump presiency. Trump was a "retreat to move forward" in that respect - someone who's odious to the vast majority of voters but also helps shake up a stale brand who's constituency is literally dying out.
The GOP is sacrificing some elections they could have won now in exchange for rebranding in a way that will theoretically help them in the future (based Chads who want to RETVRN to Latin Mass, ban single mothers, and eliminate taxes on cryptocurrency). There's going to be a lot of short-term pain as older and middle aged moderates are turned off, but very soon we're gonna be in a situation where the GOP is increasingly the "youthful" party while the Dems get more and more necrotic.
Those demographics you mentioned, traditional Catholics and crypto weirdos, are those actual plays the GOP is trying to do or are they just representative of splintering segments of who they should try to appeal to? I'm not sure the general population gives a shit about mandatory church or cyrpto, nor do those things even enter their consciousness. If the Republicans are recoordinating for different demographics, I'd love to read about it. I know for a while they've tried to claim to be more racially diverse, but that hasn't gone anywhere.
You're absolutely right though, the Republican boomer types do not have long to live and are actively chasing lifestyles and policies that kill them.
They were joke caricatures that I came up with that represent the general trend that the American Right is moving towards - a lot more internet culture, a lot of influence from the European Right and a more isolationist outlook. Think Barry Goldwater mixed with Generation Identitaire as opposed to the evangelical Neocons or the Rockefeller Republicans.
I guess I'm struggling to see what a right-wing in the US will look like without the hokey Reagnites. Whatever that's called has been the dominant branding of Republican values for over 40 years now. The whole constitution loving, go back to the 1950s, small business, anti-socialist, suburban whites who like low property taxes and go to a protestant megachurch on Sunday followed by a trip to Golden Corral. That's who their social base is.
I know in my heart it's all run by the lizard monster businessmen ruling class who do not give a single shit about what moral vision they supposedly promote, which is why I know they can change their tune instantly. I can only see the Republicans changing their demographics as far out as 2050, when the last of the boomers finally are gone.
I see a gradual shift, which is usually how these things occur. The hokey Reaganites won't be banished or anything, they'll just have less and less influence as time goes on and they literally fall away. These people are a shrinking share of the population.
Younger Millennials and Zoomers aren't living that life, in large part because they haven't had the same economic opportunities. Unless you think the USA is going to be on the rebound, the Megachurch class will wither away pretty soon. If Republicans are smart, they're building a contingency plan with the young fringe types.
Blowout WIN for the Democrats is far more likely than a blowout win for the GOP. The fact that everyone in the Chapoverse is "convinced" that the Dems will lose makes me think that Dems will win 250+ house seats and 55+ Senators more and more every day.
I don't even care that's just a hellworld prediction. Caring about this shit is for libs just have fun.
Arguing is fun!
Fr fr tho, Leftists need to stop talking about "material conditions" as if they have any relevance to American politics because the fact is none of us understand anything about real material conditions.
:wut:
they got a point, american politics is about culture and scoring points. No one in this country even really connects politics to material conditions because its neolib hell.
Culture wars are downstream of material conditions though. What specific type of dumb bullshit that appeals to chuds and libs does not appear out of thin air. It's a result of material conditions
I think thats the basic socialist assumption but honestly not sure its even true for americans
Clinton lost because of the Rust Belt, because of NAFTA. Trump lost because of covid. Material conditions absolutely have an effect.
Speak for yourself.
This is some culture war brainworms, comrade. The power structures in the United States are absolutely determined by the owning class. Just because the superstructure is convoluted doesn’t mean the base doesn’t exist. And if wha you’re saying amounts to “the superstructure is a lot more complicated than Marx made it out to be”, then you’re about 100 years late to the party on that
Correct, but "politics" in the United States are pure superstructure. The base exists, but it's irrelevant to the "political" discussion because any political entity with any sort of real power is in complete agreement on how the base operates (more money for us, fuck you).
literally by definition "material conditions" IS what exists, including both the base and superstructure. The internet is material, including cults on it, despite how disconnected from reality they might be. "Material" doesn't just mean something that is physical.
I see what you mean though, that liberal politics is delusional and leftists shouldnt try to engage in it. However, we definitely should never stop trying to make sense of and analyze material conditions, it is impossible as well.
So basically, it's Doomer Pascal's Wager.
If the doomer prediction doesn't happen, it's a pleasant surprise. If it does happen, well, I told you so.
If the optimist's prediction happens, it's just as they expected. If it doesn't happen, it just feels like more hellworld.
There is no optimistic outcome in this scenario lol (besides the obvious :xi-god-emperor: )
I'm also kinda leaning in the direction the Democrats just dominate politics for the next 10 years. Trump was a traumatic event for so many Americans because it forced them to have an opinion on how the government works. I don't think anyone actually enjoyed it. Everyone was pissed off all the time. It got exhausting and people seem to rather want everything to go back to just living in the suburbs, eating your treats, go to work until you die.
It also doesn't help that normal everyday Republican voters are bleeding out rapidly. They're either losing enthusiasm or they're all dying. The ones who stuck around are getting freakishly Q-pilled and alienating everyone around them. The January riot at the capital was unpopular with absolutely everyone, including the chuds. They're all going nuts and the more sane ones are completely checking out.
It seems to me that the Q crowd is running a successful, decentralized harassment campaign at school boards / local government meetings across the country right now. I wouldn't be so quick to dismiss them as freakishly Q-pilled agitators. As living standards continue to decline, I think people could become more receptive to their conspiratorial theories of blame.
In my view, the right could tolerate these people because they represent an army of zealots who are far more activated than the typical voter. And that's putting aside the fact that the Q crowd could / does get its own into office, who can then become something reckon with. This attitude of "Republican Party to Soon Become Irrelevant" is something I've heard before -- before Hillary ate shit in 2016.
I have a different memory of the Trump years. People loved dunking on that guy! You could write the same "Wall Closing in on Trump" / "This Remark Crossed. The. Line." article every week for 4 years and just change some proper nouns around and you would have a massive audience. People hated him for sure, but they also got off on this overhyped good vs. evil narrative where they were acting like reply guys and thinking it was heroic
Funny you should say QAA just dropped a very relevant episode
GOP voters bleeding out was a demographic inevitably. That's part of the reason why Dems were so triumphant in 2016 and dismissed the possibility of a Trump presiency. Trump was a "retreat to move forward" in that respect - someone who's odious to the vast majority of voters but also helps shake up a stale brand who's constituency is literally dying out.
The GOP is sacrificing some elections they could have won now in exchange for rebranding in a way that will theoretically help them in the future (based Chads who want to RETVRN to Latin Mass, ban single mothers, and eliminate taxes on cryptocurrency). There's going to be a lot of short-term pain as older and middle aged moderates are turned off, but very soon we're gonna be in a situation where the GOP is increasingly the "youthful" party while the Dems get more and more necrotic.
Those demographics you mentioned, traditional Catholics and crypto weirdos, are those actual plays the GOP is trying to do or are they just representative of splintering segments of who they should try to appeal to? I'm not sure the general population gives a shit about mandatory church or cyrpto, nor do those things even enter their consciousness. If the Republicans are recoordinating for different demographics, I'd love to read about it. I know for a while they've tried to claim to be more racially diverse, but that hasn't gone anywhere.
You're absolutely right though, the Republican boomer types do not have long to live and are actively chasing lifestyles and policies that kill them.
They were joke caricatures that I came up with that represent the general trend that the American Right is moving towards - a lot more internet culture, a lot of influence from the European Right and a more isolationist outlook. Think Barry Goldwater mixed with Generation Identitaire as opposed to the evangelical Neocons or the Rockefeller Republicans.
I guess I'm struggling to see what a right-wing in the US will look like without the hokey Reagnites. Whatever that's called has been the dominant branding of Republican values for over 40 years now. The whole constitution loving, go back to the 1950s, small business, anti-socialist, suburban whites who like low property taxes and go to a protestant megachurch on Sunday followed by a trip to Golden Corral. That's who their social base is.
I know in my heart it's all run by the lizard monster businessmen ruling class who do not give a single shit about what moral vision they supposedly promote, which is why I know they can change their tune instantly. I can only see the Republicans changing their demographics as far out as 2050, when the last of the boomers finally are gone.
I see a gradual shift, which is usually how these things occur. The hokey Reaganites won't be banished or anything, they'll just have less and less influence as time goes on and they literally fall away. These people are a shrinking share of the population.
Younger Millennials and Zoomers aren't living that life, in large part because they haven't had the same economic opportunities. Unless you think the USA is going to be on the rebound, the Megachurch class will wither away pretty soon. If Republicans are smart, they're building a contingency plan with the young fringe types.
It's really thinly veiled masturbation-whilst-posting.