Spoiler: There's a David Bowie song.

  • Blottergrass [he/him]
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    3 years ago

    I wonder what it's like being a zoomer and growing up without any original content? Everything they hold dear is a reboot, remake, sequel, sequel to a sequel, off shoot, prequel, or rehash.

    • LoudMuffin [he/him]
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      3 years ago

      I was born in 95' and around like 2008 when I was like 12 I had the sense that nothing new would ever arise again

      Then I read Capitalist Realism a year ago and I was dude what the fuck

      IDK if I'm a zoomer but there has been this sense my entire that everything was going to be locked in stasis

      honestly growing up past the fall of the USSR must be so fucking weird compared to how people grew up back then

      I really envy boomers both for their security and because they probably got the last gasp of society that hadn't become completely alienated and hollowed out by capitalism

      • axont [she/her, comrade/them]
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        3 years ago

        I'm a millennial and this is fascinating for me, since the impression throughout my life has been there was a short period of rapid progression and change, then a sudden screeching halt where culture is frozen and doomed to repeat itself. Seems like you only got the later part. Sorry about that.

        • LoudMuffin [he/him]
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          3 years ago

          I feel bad for the 2001+~ babies, holy shit I cannot even imagine being in FUCKING elementary school WITH Facebook and all that poisonous shit.

          I really felt Brace in the last TrueAnon episode when he said all social media execs should be put up against the fooken wall, I got introduced to that in like middle school and I'm convinced it gave me brain damage, I was a really shy and fucked up kid from a very poor and dysfunctional family and developed the habit of obsessively stalking people I thought were cool and it gave me a body image disorder for most of my teens and exacerbated my severe depression and anxiety and it still makes me depressed even today when I get on social media because of how lame my life is

          like I moved to a decently affluent suburb by chance (housing crash in 08') and seeing other 12 years old live a lifestyle your dad could never provide you was like....fuck

          It's just so fucked to me too that all of my early childhood experiences were just under the fluorescent lighting of supermarkets and shit because that was the only time I got to be with my parents. My entire experience of the world has just been passing through sterile, endlessly recursive transactional spaces as a member of a poor minority group. I was a "gifted" child but I think even people dumber than me may have realized how fucked this all is....the disconnection goes so deep and then with the whole backdrop of the war on terror and I would read Nat Geo and all this shit about dirty bombs, Abu Ghraib and Al Qaida etc., getting told to go back to Mexico, getting called a wet after spending my early childhood bombarded with post 9/11 patriotism where they told you that this is the greatest country on the fucking planet and if you don't like it well you're lucky you weren't born in shithole Mexico, you fucking wetback

          honestly it's not surprising everyone my age is fucking insane and all the music the people slightly younger than me make is about overdosing on drugs and being addicted to sex

    • clover [she/her]
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      3 years ago

      Like another commenter, I was also born in the mid 90s, so depending on who you ask I’m like the oldest zoomer if anything. But anyway I think because there’s just so much shit to consume these days it was probably inevitable most things would quels/rebootmakes. It’s just safer when media corporations are focused on maximizing profit and trying to catch as many people’s attention as possible.

      I feel like you can still find about the same amount of original media we had in earlier decades. It’s only buried under a much larger volume of cynical mass media shit and/or hidden away in more niche “new” media (animation, games, etc). Plus remakes and such aren’t new. Total Recall and Blade Runner were based on short stories. Heston’s Ben-Hur was a remake of a book adaptation. Nolan’s movies are usually originals. Tarantino’s are all original, I think. A lot of the most popular video games that blew up in my lifetime were new things - Pokemon, Minecraft, uh Spyro, Undertale, Splatoon? Anime is another rabbit hole you can comb through sometimes.

      • deadbergeron [he/him,they/them]
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        3 years ago

        I think one of the differences is remakes this days are not so much adapting a previously existing thing, but bringing back something already popular and saying "hey, remember this!" Like when Blade Runner came out i doubt very many people were going "oh shit they're making a Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep adaptation!," and I doubt the producers were advertising it as "hey, remember Do Androids Dream Electric Sheep? We've made a movie about that!" The source material was not the source of the advertising or popularity.

        Whereas with this, the advertising draws on the source material itself - "hey, remember Toy Story? Remember Buzz Lightyear? Do we have a movie for you!" And so does its popularity - people going to see this movie will be going partly and probably mainly due to the source material.

        But idk, this comment isnt deep analysis, just something to think about

      • axont [she/her, comrade/them]
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        3 years ago

        Tarantino's movie Jackie Brown is based on the 1992 novel Rum Punch. That's the only time he's adapted anything, unless the Kill Bill movies count where characters from 70s Hong Kong movies show up as if it's all a shared universe.

    • OfficialBenGarrison [he/him]
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      3 years ago

      As mentioned before, there's undertale, and I'd give gen Z Persona as well.

      But I'd argue Sly Cooper and RuneScape are also important for many zoomers.

      • Sen_Jen [they/them]
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        3 years ago

        I mean Minecraft is certainly a gen z game, a lot of people played it when they were around 12 and got back into it recently

        But as far as movies go there's like, the first few marvel movies which are the same, and then there's sequels to one of three types of marvel movie. And idk, Joker or somethin

    • blobjim [he/him]
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      3 years ago

      Kids still see older Disney movies. Just think about how old some of the hand drawn Disney movies are and people still watch them as kids. A lot of movies are somewhat "timeless". When I saw Jurassic Park the first time, the second movie was probably already out.

    • CanYouFeelItMrKrabs [any, he/him]
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      3 years ago

      There is more art available than for any previous generation. The biggest budget movies are all sequels but who cares. There's way more access to movies from all around the world now than decades ago

  • OldMole [he/him]
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    3 years ago

    Makers of every movie trailer in 2021: What if we took a song from the '70s, but ruined it with weird pauses and mixed it with the first youtube search result for 'epic music'?

  • hexaflexagonbear [he/him]
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    3 years ago

    Lol the chuds are mad because Chris Evans is voicing Buzz instead of Tim Allen. Damn, almost like the parents of kids are now millenials and know who Chris Evans is.

        • spectre [he/him]
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          3 years ago

          It's probably gonna be a while, but it will be funny when media exports from the PRC become more common a la Korea in the present.

      • ProfessorAdonisCnut [he/him]
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        3 years ago

        if they really wanted to piss off the chuds they could’ve just made buzz lightyear nonwhite

        I'm just waiting for the counter-counter-contrarian circlejerkers to tie each other up in confusing knots when Starship Troopers gets adapted again with Juan Rico as a Filipino.

    • budoguytenkaichi [he/him,they/them]
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      3 years ago

      Yeah, I don't think it's for political reasons either. Cuz if Disney was cancelling Allen, wouldn't they have replaced him in Toy Story 4?

      I looked it up and they started voice recording for that in late 2018, well into the Trump years and after Tim started coming under fire.

      • hexaflexagonbear [he/him]
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        3 years ago

        The celebrity voice actors are almost always for the parents, and Chris Evans seems like a perfect choice for millenial parents. Idk why conservatives think any of these decisions are made with any considerations outside of a spreadsheet, lol.

        • axont [she/her, comrade/them]
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          3 years ago

          conservatives would have to come under a distressing conclusion that their political outlook is an aesthetic being sold to them, same as liberals being sold theirs. They'd much rather believe they're on some moral crusade rather than large companies simply bending to money

    • Lundi [none/use name]
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      3 years ago

      Honestly? yeah, I would have liked Tim Allen because my childhood associates Buzz with his voice. Tim Allen has the perfect voice for a pixar/Toy Story movie.

      But I’m probably not going to watch this movie anyways so my opinion literally doesn’t matter.

      • hexaflexagonbear [he/him]
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        3 years ago

        My point more is they think he's too unwoke, when the truth is that some collection of nerds ran a bunch of focus groups and stared at a spreadsheet for 10 hours before going "Chris Evans seems popular".

  • CommunistBear [he/him]
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    3 years ago

    So is buzz lightyear a toy based on a real dude in universe then? Or is this the movie within the toy story universe that spawned the toy?

    • Crowtee_Robot [he/him]
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      3 years ago

      "Buzz Lightyear of Star Command" was the BL Saturday morning cartoon in the Pixarverse that also aired on actual television. THIS is the movie that inspired the toy AND the cartoon. It's a movie about the guy who inspired the toy who stars in another real movie.

      It's some kind of crappy creative wormhole.

      • GalaxyBrain [they/them]
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        3 years ago

        Wait so Buzz Lightyear is actually a real dude out in space in the Toy Story canon and all the merch and shit is for a real guy? Like Ozymandias from Watchmen or Awesome X from Frisky Dingo?

        • Crowtee_Robot [he/him]
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          3 years ago

          I think it's more like the in-universe movie that spawned the BL franchise.

          • GalaxyBrain [they/them]
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            3 years ago

            For real, if they had made this in the 90s kid me would have been hype. As an aside they kinda setbevery kid who saw the movie and got a Buzz Lightyear toy up for dissapointment since it's hyped as the coolest toy ever in the movie.

    • eXAt [he/him]
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      3 years ago

      I have a vague memory of watching what you have described so I think you are correct.

  • disco [any]
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    3 years ago

    Fact is, it's probably going to be good because Pixar only makes bangers.

    • budoguytenkaichi [he/him,they/them]
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      3 years ago

      I dunno if only makes bangers is as accurate as it was, say, in the early-mid 2000s, I think they've stumbled at least once or twice and have made a few movies that were "merely" good.

      But generally-speaking: Yeah, they usually put out bangers. And unoriginality/cynicism aside, this could theoretically be another.

      • disco [any]
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        3 years ago

        I almost said "except Cars" in my comment but didn't want to detract from my point.

        But yeah, other than Cars they're all great imo.

    • Ness [he/him]
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      3 years ago

      they made the good dinosaur wtf are you talking about